To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (526590 ) 1/20/2004 2:39:12 PM From: PartyTime Respond to of 769670 >>>It will be embarrassing for the US to hold elections denounced as undemocratic by Ayatollah Sistani and the largest Iraqi community.<<<news.independent.co.uk It really is amazing were one to pause, set back and carefully consider what's happened and what's now happening. Think. The notion of installing democracy in Iraq came way late in the justification for America at war process. But since we're now told democracy is the front burner issue in Iraq, why can't it happen the way the Iraqis would like it to happen? I mean isn't that what democracy is all about--a nation of people in control of their own self-determination? Now, as the thinking goes, there's a democracy problem right here in America: 54 percent of Americans think Bush was elected illegimately. So now Bush wants to give democracy to the Iraqis not by elections but via a candidate appointment caucus system. As an interesting point of information only about 20 percent voted in the recent Iowa caucus. But forget about the numbers for now. I mean who cares that so few in America vote! Just imagine what the Iraqi caucus rooms would be like with a religious cleric or a former general or past or present police chief, or some other heavy type like a guy holding a lot of cash, directing which candidates the respective Iraqi citizens should support--all of 'em together in the same room! This is BS! I know it...liberals who post on this thread know it...and you know what, so do the GOPwingers who post on this thread know it (at least they would, if they thought about it)!!! Obviously, the Shiite majority will win the election when it happens and it's quite likely that they will wish to do business much the way Iran does business; not the way Americans want them to do business. This, of course, would dampen the Bush Administration's (insider) economics of this war. And then think about how the Shiites want the Kurds to have their own autonomy, their own nation. In other words, the Kurds would have their own self-determination and their own democracy and wouldn't therefore have to get bogged down with Shiite affairs. However, the USA can't let that happen as that would obfuscate relations with Turkey. So democracy won't work there either. And then there's the United Nations. How many Bush-Cheney Administration officials and supporters went on all of the talking head shows, with talking point instructions as to how to describe the UN as making itself irrelevent? Anyone remember that garbage? Yup, that's what the GOPwingers use guys like Bill Bennett for, as an example. So right now Bush is asking the UN for assistance. Yup, that's now in the news. Anyone else find it ironic that the greatest democracy on earth is now asking the UN for assistance on how to create a democracy? I assure you that reverberating throughout all of Old Europe is a bemused, quaint and quiet chuckle as Bush, like a child, begs to the mother of all nations--the UN!--for help on how the voting should go. Oh, well. Maybe we could simply blame all of this on Florida's former secretary of state, Katherine Harris, and let the next election enable Bush just fade away so he can go looking for a new cap gun--but this time he'll get one that won't do people of the world, and democracies of the world, any harm.