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To: michael97123 who wrote (25321)1/20/2004 3:23:30 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793738
 
From ABC News Gephardt campaign reporter Sally Hawkins:

ST. LOUIS, MO,Jan 20--It all happened so fast. One minute, reporters in the Gephardt filing room were barely settling in to spend, what many believed, would be a long night of ups and downs as the precinct numbers rolled in. Some tried to assess what would happen if he placed second, or maybe even third. Then, the numbers began rolling in, the fog lifted, and Gephardt's political future began to unravel. The murder-suicide between Dean and Gephardt came into focus.

The distress signals were everywhere. At 7:50 pm, Gephardt canceled his interview on Larry King Live, ten minutes before show time. He was a no-show at the hotel well after his scheduled arrival time and Gephardt's campaign manager Steve Murphy was stone faced as he paced back and forth on his cell phone. He told a couple of reporters that early turnout numbers appeared high — and he said earlier that "all bets were off" if turnout went beyond their expectations of 120,000. And they did … .way beyond.

Word had been swirling for days that if Gephardt were to lose Iowa and drop out of the race, he would likely go to his hometown to make an official announcement. The defining moment came when a reporter asked whether plans to fly to New Hampshire and South Carolina for Tuesday's events, were still set. "Are we still taking the charter to New Hampshire," said a reporter? "I don't know" was the answer a spokesman gave. I don't know? That was telling. Less than an hour later, campaign press secretary Erik Smith announced that we would be traveling to St. Louis shortly after Gephardt made a statement. It was over.

According to campaign staffers, the mood behind the scenes was surprisingly easy. Early in the evening, Gephardt knew the end was near and there was not much discussion among staffers. One senior campaign staffer expressed thanks for the decision to cut the cord right away rather than die a slow death. In the ballroom, supporters and friends gathered — and the tears were flowing. Gephardt too teared up while delivering a heartfelt speech in which he spoke of his son's struggle with cancer. "I've been through tougher fights in my life. When I watched my 2-year old son fight terminal cancer and win." After the speech, an easy-going Gephardt made his way around the room hugging supporters and staffers, some who were inconsolable.



To: michael97123 who wrote (25321)1/20/2004 4:55:49 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793738
 
The real Democratic Party dud
Doug Bandow
townhall.com

WASHINGTON - Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark has become the great hope for establishment Democrats seeking to stop front-runner Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.

Yet Clark, who has based his campaign on his foreign policy credentials, actually has the strangest foreign policy views of anyone in the presidential race.

While Democrats were firing away at each other in the aftermath of the capture of Saddam Hussein, Clark was at the Hague seeking to hype his candidacy for president of the United States by testifying at the United Nations trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. Clark, who prosecuted the 1999 war against Yugoslavia, suggested that the tribunal be considered as "one of the venues" for trying Saddam.

That's actually a foolish idea. Hussein's crimes were first and foremost against the Iraqi people. Iraqis should hold him accountable.

Moreover, however satisfying it is to see Milosevic in the dock, the idea that the United Nations has a right to create artificial ex post facto law should discomfit anyone who believes in the rule of law. Milosevic deserved to be tried, but in Yugoslavia.

The ultimate absurdity of concocting special international panels with limitless criminal authority was demonstrated when Belgium claimed global jurisdiction over all human rights abuses. Activists filed charges against political figures as varied as Fidel Castro and Ariel Sharon. Belgium finally repealed the law after critics of the Iraq war threatened to target Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

But Clark's greatest foolishness is his bizarre contention that Kosovo warranted military action while Iraq did not.

Clark is presenting himself as the anti-Bush with military experience. Alas, Clark is no Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Whatever Clark's virtues as a military leader, his experience in Kosovo did not exhibit them. In that conflict Clark led the world's most powerful military alliance against a small, impoverished country beset by a messy guerrilla war. It didn't take the least bit of talent to win.

In fact, only a genius could have found a way to lose. As Clark almost did.

First, he, like others in the Clinton administration, thought that a few bombs - indeed, the threat of a few bombs - would solve the problem. When they didn't, the alliance lacked a strategy.

Second, after the fighting had ended, he ordered British Army Lt. Gen. Sir Mike Jackson to block Russian troops from occupying the airport in Pristina, Kosovo. "I'm not going to start the third world war for you," Jackson replied.

At least most Americans would have known Clark's name had he managed to get NATO into a shooting war with Russia after the West had peacefully won the Cold War.

Even worse, however, is Clark's contention that his war was good while President George W. Bush's war was bad. I happen to think that neither was necessary, but set that aside. No serious person can claim that Yugoslavia posed a greater threat than did Iraq.

In early 1999, Yugoslavia was suffering through a nasty fight between ethnic Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. It was a tragic conflict, but far smaller and less deadly than a score of ethnic and religious wars around the globe. Genocide it was not.

Indeed, the mass expulsion of ethnic Albanians that dominated TV screens occurred only after NATO went to war. It was a result, not cause, of the conflict. And Clark's victory has led to ethnic cleansing of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and non-Albanian Muslims.

Milosevic was a nasty character, but Clark's claim that there was "an imminent threat" of war is just plain silly.

Milosevic's regime was bankrupt and isolated. It made no pretense of developing weapons of mass destruction. It wasn't capable of conquering its neighbors. It had no means to hurt the United States.

Nor was war a last resort after diplomacy had failed, as Clark said. The United States tried to impose its own settlement, which neither the Albanians nor the Serbs supported. Washington offered an ultimatum, not diplomacy.

Iraq was completely different. Hussein had engaged in a policy of domestic brutality on a massive scale, killing tens, and probably hundreds, of thousands of people.

He ran a police state, attacked two of his neighbors, killing hundreds of thousands more, and, it seemed, was developing weapons of mass destruction. He was capable of cooperating with terrorists, though those connections remain unproved.

Of the two, Clark thinks Yugoslavia posed the greatest danger? And warranted war without international sanction?

Such passes for foreign policy analysis from a leading presidential candidate.

Winning the presidency will require that the Democratic nominee be taken seriously on foreign policy. Clark is not that candidate.

Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, a Townhall.com member group.

©2003 Copley News Service

townhall.com



To: michael97123 who wrote (25321)1/21/2004 1:13:55 AM
From: D. Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793738
 
Now we shall see if clark self destructs.

I've probably missed alot since I'm skipping about 300 posts...

But I don't think Clark needs to self destruct. He was the establishment anti-Dean. If Dean has deep sixed himself, Clark goes down with him, IMO.

Derek