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To: Machaon who wrote (5568)	1/22/2004 2:11:23 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

When the the US stops supporting Isra'El, then Rumsfield will have a valid argument. Isra'El is deathly afraid of Hezbollah. These folks do not play around. when they say something, they mean it. I thorughly enjoyed listening to the spin of the border dispute a few days ago when Hezbollah fired a rocket at an Isra'Eli soldier who came over the border killing him. As the cockeyed media first reported it, the Isra'Eli did not violate the border, then later, recanted that in fact he had come over the border. Then the tact changed to blame the Lebanese (always a Syrian proxy) for placing mines ON THEIR SIDE OF THE FENCE. That must be an international crime, to place mines on your own land? So as the facts have finally settled out, the Isra'Elis did in fact violate Lebanon's border, the Lebanese were installing mines ON THEIR OWN LAND. So what does Isra'El do? they attack Lebanon! There is the crime, but was not reported as such. len

To: Machaon who wrote (5568)	1/22/2004 3:29:39 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 6945

Unfortunately, we're too close to an election and the isolationists and weenies would go nuts. Assad will continue to foment terror. Funny how these power hungry tyrants push as far as they can when they think they can get away with it. Remember Mullah Omar and that other mouth piece who boasted about how many Americans would be slaughtered in Afghanistan? Remember Saddam's boastful assurances that the US would never be able to defeat him? Assad will continue to do whatever he can. One day he will find that his bluff will be called. Saddam may not have had WMD but he convinced the world that he had them and that he would use them. I bet he wishes he hadn't played that game so effectively now.

To: Machaon who wrote (5568)	1/22/2004 3:31:12 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

A ray of hope that the extremists can be drowned out and real people can make peace. Jews, Muslims form bond York U. group born out of campus conflicts Seeks to promote peace between two Middle East faiths NICHOLAS KEUNG IMMIGRATION/DIVERSITY REPORTER Shalom-Salam. The name of the newly formed student group at York University — meaning "peace" in Hebrew and Arabic — is intended as a reminder to Israelis and Palestinians that their peaceful co-existence is not just possible, but necessary. After numerous incidents on campus involving confrontations between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian students last year that drew attention from the press and the public, the student body has turned a new page in what appeared to be an irresolvable conflict. "What we went through last year was a painful and heartbreaking experience," recalled Hina Khan, Shalom-Salam's co-president, a Pakistani Canadian and Palestinian sympathizer. "We realized we were not going to solve the problem by yelling, screaming and pointing fingers at each other." The 100-member student organization, headed by an executive body of four pro-Israeli students, three pro-Palestinian supporters and two neutral members, was the brainchild of a group of students who took professor Saeed Rahnema's class "War and Peace in the Middle East" last spring. "Israeli-Palestinian relations is a very sensitive subject. There were a lot of tensions, emotions and pressure in the class at the beginning. "The students all came in with strong views on some of the issues," said Rahnema, one of the two keynote speakers at the group's inaugural forum yesterday. "To have peace you need to sit down, calm down and try to listen to each other and understand each other. I am proud of the students' initiative. "If we can't have peace as intellectuals in a university in Canada, how can we expect those in the Middle East to work together for peace?" Calling Khan her "other half," student Miriam Yosowich, the group's other co-president, representing the Israeli perspective, said last year's daily yelling matches between Jewish and Palestinian supporters are still fresh in her memory. Some students with more extreme views cast aspersions on Shalom-Salam, but Yosowich said the organization is intended to foster respect and understanding — and not to convert. "Both camps felt that the confrontations between the extremes had become ridiculous and what we'd like to do is to walk in each other's shoes. "We may not agree with each other, but we agree to disagree," said Yosowich, who majors in global political studies. "We can't really tell the peoples in the Middle East what to do, but by sitting down and talking, we can show them the steps to the right direction." Michael Bell, a former Canadian ambassador to Egypt, Jordan, Israel and the Palestinian territories, said he is impressed and encouraged by the York students' enthusiasm. Bell, now a scholar for diplomacy at the University of Toronto's Munk Centre for International Studies, said the prolonged and painful Middle East crisis stems from "suspicions, ignorance, fear and insecurity." "Peace can be built. It will be slow, but it is possible," he told the 200 people at the forum at York's Founders College yesterday.