To: American Spirit who wrote (3154 ) 1/22/2004 5:30:12 PM From: Oeconomicus Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 90947 Nonsensical sound-bites are no substitute for sound argument, AS. You need to be just a tad more factual and specific in your accusations than "Bush-Cheney is the most corporate-handout-friendly bribe-taking lobbyist-pleasing, pollution-friendly-for $$$ pork barrel-gushing administration." Try, for example, backing them up with verifiable evidence (like, for example, who you are accusing Bush of taking bribes from and what evidence you have to back up the accusation). And if you're going to use terms like "most" that imply a comparison of some sort, then you really should state what you are comparing against and provide evidence of the relative "handout-friendly[ness]" or "lobbyist-pleasing[ness]" of the subjects of your comparison. For a good example of a well-constructed argument, you may refer to the article I posted. For example, Mr. Jenkins wrote that: "He [Clinton] personally phoned King Fahd to beg for sales on behalf of Boeing and McDonnell Douglas, whose executives were contributors." and: "One of his [Clinton's] last official acts was to issue a mysterious pardon to fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich, after being lobbied by his ex-wife, a big donor." and: "The country is still cleaning up the legal mess, including a recent $14 million fine paid by a company run by Mr. Clinton's single biggest campaign contributor. Its offense: illegally shipping missile technology to China." and: "Another big Clinton bankroller, Indonesian tycoon James Riady, last year paid $8.6 million in penalties for making serial illegal contributions to bankroll Mr. Clinton's career since the Arkansas days. all to support his (sub-) thesis that, comparatively: "Bill Clinton was tons worse than George Bush (at least so far) in letting policy cross into cronyism." See how it is done? Thanks and good luck.