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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (527981)1/22/2004 5:46:48 PM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 769667
 
So your response is to attack my source?

Not a very convincing counter to my argument. So are you saying that if the CIA gave its blessing on this, you would consider it a valid source? In essence, you are suggesting that the CIA is a reliable source for information? Is that it?

Fine...

Then this document from the CIA must be valid, right?

cia.gov

You can't have it both ways. :)

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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (527981)1/22/2004 5:51:27 PM
From: DizzyG  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
BTW...

Here is the summary from that CIA report. Did they lie too?

Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.

Baghdad hides large portions of Iraq's WMD efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information.

Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.

Iraq's growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdad's capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled.

Iraq largely has rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.

Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.

Although Saddam probably does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them.
How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.

If Baghdad acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year.

Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until the last half of the decade.

Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use, but some believe that these tubes are probably intended for conventional weapons programs.

Based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire, a few tens of thousands of centrifuges would be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a couple of weapons per year.

Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX. Its capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections and is probably more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.

Saddam probably has stocked a few hundred metric tons of CW agents.

The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles, and probably possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored, extended-range Scuds.
All key aspects—R&D, production, and weaponization—of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf war.

Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives, including potentially against the US Homeland.

Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability, which includes mobile facilities; these facilities can evade detection, are highly survivable, and can exceed the production rates Iraq had prior to the Gulf war.
Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV that most analysts believe probably is intended to deliver biological warfare agents.

Gaps in Iraqi accounting to UNSCOM suggest that Saddam retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant SRBMs with ranges of 650 to 900 km.

Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs, which are capable of flying beyond the UN-authorized 150-km range limit.

Baghdad's UAVs—especially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents—could threaten Iraq's neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland.

Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities.


cia.gov

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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (527981)1/22/2004 6:04:22 PM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 769667
 
And then we have this...

Did he lie too?

STATEMENT OF
GENERAL (RETIRED) WESLEY K. CLARK
U.S. ARMY

BEFORE THE
HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE
UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SEPTEMBER 26, 2002



Mr. Chairman, Representative Skelton, Distinguished Members of this Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. This is a Committee that has been strongly supportive of the men and women in uniform, and I want to thank you personally for the assistance and support that you gave me, and have given so many others.

In October 1994, Saddam Hussein moved several Republican Guards divisions back into the attack positions just north of the Kuwaiti border, the same attack positions that had been occupied just prior to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. It was a foolish and to our minds unexpected and threatening move. We quickly deployed additional military forces to the region, preparing to enter a full-fledged battle against Iraq to defend Kuwait, and we also went to the United Nations. After a few tense days Saddam backed off, the divisions were removed, and we acted through the United Nations to further tighten the no-fly zone and regulate Iraqi troop movements.

But it was a signal warning about Saddam Hussein: he is not only malevolent and violent, but also unpredictable. He retains his chemical and biological warfare capabilities and is actively pursuing nuclear capabilities. Were he to acquire such capabilities, we and our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks. Saddam might use such weapons as a deterrent while launching attacks against Israel or his neighbors, he might threaten American forces in the region, he might strike directly against Israel, or Israel, weighing the possibilities of nuclear blackmail or aggression, might feel compelled to strike Iraq first.

Saddam has been pursuing nuclear weapons for over twenty years. According to all estimates made available he does not now have these weapons. The best public assessment is that if he were to acquire fissionable material he might field some type of weapon within two years. If he has to enrich the uranium ore itself, then a period of perhaps five years might be required. But what makes the situation relatively more dangerous today is that the UN weapons inspectors, who provided some assistance in impeding his development programs, have been absent from Iraq for over four years. And the sanctions regime, designed to restrict his access to weapons materials and the resources needed to procure them, has continuously eroded. At some point, it may become possible for Saddam to acquire the fissionable materials or uranium ore that he needs. And therefore, Iraq is not a problem that can be indefinitely postponed.

In addition, Saddam Hussein’s current retention of chemical and biological weapons and their respective delivery systems violates the UN resolutions themselves, which carry the weight of international law.

Our President has emphasized the urgency of eliminating these weapons and weapons programs. I strongly support his efforts to encourage the United Nations to act on this problem. And in taking this to the United Nations, the President’s clear determination to act if the United Nations can’t provides strong leverage undergirding further diplomatic efforts.

But the problem of Iraq is only an element of the broader security challenges facing our country. We have an unfinished, world-wide war against Al Qaeda, a war that has to be won in conjunction with friends and allies, and that ultimately be won by persuasion as much as by force, when we turn off the Al Qaeda recruiting machine. Some three thousand deaths on September 11th testify to the real danger from Al Qaeda, and as all acknowledge, Al Qaeda has not yet been defeated. Thus far, substantial evidence has not been made available to link Saddam’s regime to the Al Qaeda network. And while such linkages may emerge, winning the war against Al Qaeda may well require different actions than ending the weapons programs in Iraq.

The critical issue facing the Unites States now is how to force action against Saddam Hussein and his weapons programs without detracting from our focus on Al Qaeda or efforts to deal with other immediate, mid and long-term security problems. In this regard, I would offer the following considerations:

- The United States diplomacy in the United Nations will be further strengthened if the Congress can adopt a resolution expressing US determination to act if the United Nations will not. The use of force must remain a US option under active consideration. The resolution need not at this point authorize the use of force, but simply agree on the intent to authorize the use of force, if other measures fail. The more focused the resolution on Iraq and the problem of weapons of mass destruction, the greater its utility in the United Nations. The more nearly unanimous the resolution, the greater its impact in the diplomatic efforts underway.

- The President and his national security team must deploy imagination, leverage, and patience in crafting UN engagement. In the near term, time is on our side, and we should endeavor to use the UN if at all possible. This may require a period of time for inspections or even the development of a more intrusive inspection program, if necessary backed by force. This is foremost an effort to gain world-wide legitimacy for US concerns and possible later action, but it may also impede Saddam’s weapons programs and further constrain his freedom of action. Yes, there is a risk that inspections would fail to provide the evidence of his weapons programs, but the difficulties of dealing with this outcome are more than offset by opportunity to gain allies and support in the campaign against Saddam.

If efforts to resolve the problem by using the United Nations fail, either initially or ultimately, the US should form the broadest possible coalition, including its NATO allies and the North Atlantic Council if possible, to bring force to bear.

Force should not be used until the personnel and organizations to be involved in post-conflict Iraq are identified and readied to assume their responsibilities. This includes requirements for humanitarian assistance, police and judicial capabilities, emergency medical and reconstruction assistance, and preparations for a transitional governing body and eventual elections, perhaps including a new constitution. Ideally, international and multinational organizations will participate in the readying of such post-conflict operations, including the UN, NATO, and other regional and Islamic organizations.

Force should be used as the last resort; after all diplomatic means have been exhausted, unless information indicates that further delay would present an immediate risk to the assembled forces and organizations. This action should not be categorized as “preemptive.”

Once initiated, any military operation should aim for the most rapid accomplishment of its operational aims and prompt turnover to follow-on organizations and agencies.

If we proceed as outlined above, we may be able to minimize the disruption to the ongoing campaign against Al Qaeda, reduce the impact on friendly governments in the region, and even contribute to the resolution of other regional issues such as the Arab-Israeli conflict, Iranian efforts to develop nuclear capabilities, and Saudi funding for terrorism. But there are no guarantees. The war is unpredictable and could be difficult and costly. And what is at risk in the aftermath is an open-ended American ground commitment in Iraq and an even deeper sense of humiliation in the Arab world, which could intensify our problems in the region and elsewhere.

I look forward to answering questions and helping the Committee assess the costs and risks of the alternatives before us.


armedservices.house.gov

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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (527981)1/22/2004 6:11:59 PM
From: DizzyG  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
And then this...

But this is all lies too, right?

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
1.Under Saddam Hussein Iraq developed chemical and biological weapons,
acquired missiles allowing it to attack neighbouring countries with these
weapons and persistently tried to develop a nuclear bomb.Saddam has used
chemical weapons,both against Iran and against his own people.Following the
Gulf War,Iraq had to admit to all this.And in the ceasefire of 1991 Saddam
agreed unconditionally to give up his weapons of mass destruction.
2.Much information about Iraq fs weapons of mass destruction is already in the
public domain from UN reports and from Iraqi defectors.This points clearly to
Iraq fs continuing possession,after 1991,of chemical and biological agents and
weapons produced before the Gulf War.It shows that Iraq has refurbished sites
formerly associated with the production of chemical and biological agents.And
it indicates that Iraq remains able to manufacture these agents,and to use bombs,
shells,artillery rockets and ballistic missiles to deliver them.
3.An independent and well-researched overview of this public evidence was
provided by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS)on
9 September.The IISS report also suggested that Iraq could assemble nuclear
weapons within months of obtaining fissile material from foreign sources.
4.As well as the public evidence,however,significant additional information is
available to the Government from secret intelligence sources,described in more
detail in this paper.This intelligence cannot tell us about everything.However,
it provides a fuller picture of Iraqi plans and capabilities.It shows that Saddam
Hussein attaches great importance to possessing weapons of mass destruction
which he regards as the basis for Iraq fs regional power.It shows that he does not
regard them only as weapons of last resort.He is ready to use them,including
against his own population,and is determined to retain them,in breach of United
Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCR).
5.Intelligence also shows that Iraq is preparing plans to conceal evidence of these
weapons,including incriminating documents,from renewed inspections.And it
confirms that despite sanctions and the policy of containment,Saddam has
continued to make progress with his illicit weapons programmes.
6.As a result of the intelligence we judge that Iraq has:
œcontinued to produce chemical and biological agents;
œmilitary plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons,including
against its own Shia population.Some of these weapons are deployable
within 45 minutes of an order to use them;
œcommand and control arrangements in place to use chemical and biological
weapons.Authority ultimately resides with Saddam Hussein.(There is
intelligence that he may have delegated this authority to his son Qusai);

œdeveloped mobile laboratories for military use,corroborating earlier reports
about the mobile production of biological warfare agents;
œpursued illegal programmes to procure controlled materials of potential use
in the production of chemical and biological weapons programmes;
œtried covertly to acquire technology and materials which could be used in the
production of nuclear weapons;
œsought significant quantities of uranium from Africa,despite having no
active civil nuclear power programme that could require it;
œrecalled specialists to work on its nuclear programme;
œillegally retained up to 20 al-Hussein missiles,with a range of 650km,
capable of carrying chemical or biological warheads;
œstarted deploying its al-Samoud liquid propellant missile,and has used the
absence of weapons inspectors to work on extending its range to at least
200km,which is beyond the limit of 150km imposed by the United Nations;
œstarted producing the solid-propellant Ababil-100,and is making efforts to
extend its range to at least 200km,which is beyond the limit of 150km
imposed by the United Nations;
œconstructed a new engine test stand for the development of missiles capable
of reaching the UK Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus and NATO members
(Greece and Turkey),as well as all Iraq fs Gulf neighbours and Israel;
œpursued illegal programmes to procure materials for use in its illegal
development of long range missiles;
œlearnt lessons from previous UN weapons inspections and has already begun
to conceal sensitive equipment and documentation in advance of the return
of inspectors.
7.These judgements reflect the views of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC).
More details on the judgements and on the development of the JIC fs assessments
since 1998 are set out in Part 1 of this paper.
8.Iraq fs weapons of mass destruction are in breach of international law.Under a
series of UN Security Council Resolutions Iraq is obliged to destroy its holdings
of these weapons under the supervision of UN inspectors.Part 2 of the paper sets
out the key UN Security Council Resolutions.It also summarises the history of
the UN inspection regime and Iraq fs history of deception,intimidation and
concealment in its dealings with the UN inspectors.

9.But the threat from Iraq does not depend solely on the capabilities we have
described.It arises also because of the violent and aggressive nature of Saddam
Hussein fs regime.His record of internal repression and external aggression gives
rise to unique concerns about the threat he poses.The paper briefly outlines in
Part 3 Saddam fs rise to power,the nature of his regime and his history of regional
aggression.Saddam fs human rights abuses are also catalogued,including his
record of torture,mass arrests and summary executions.
10.The paper briefly sets out how Iraq is able to finance its weapons programme.
Drawing on illicit earnings generated outside UN control,Iraq generated illegal
income of some $3 billion in 2001.


image.guardian.co.uk

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