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To: Ilaine who wrote (123554)1/22/2004 6:19:29 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
' ... quelques arpents de neige .. ' - mention Voltaire to a canuck and immediately you get back what he said when in 1760ish he preferred to keep the sugar island Guadeloupe rather than Canada, 'a few acres of snow' -g-

' it's outright scorn and derision' - yeah, there is a lot of that going around, isn't there .... i do agree with you on the personal-symbol issue, no doubt about it, at the same time i note you failing to go back a very short distance in your own nation's history to find parallels for the current french situation .... hmm, that reminds me, Win posted upthread a four-page piece by a guy named Fallows, the first page had a very relevant piece on the experiment with theocracy under the puritans

There has been all sorts of US intolerance, official and non-official ... to my knowledge, no nation has been free of this quality, not the french either of course [i have a little huguenot blood] ..... hard to say, maybe i was just reacting to so many months here of petty cheap shots at the french, but i guess if you like Voltaire you're not saying they're all bad -g- .... cheers

[edit] - sikhs, turbans, France, 1914-2004 - cbc.ca



To: Ilaine who wrote (123554)1/22/2004 8:10:34 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<I think the proposed law is vile, inhuman, and degrading.>

Get a grip CB. When superlatives are fired around, it leaves little vocabulary for actually inhuman, vile and degrading things.

I've contended with such things in New Zealand, being suspended from school [along with my younger sister] and awaiting a Supreme Court judgment [which went against freedom and self-determination and in favour of school authority]. Sure, I was annoyed, but didn't and still don't think of words such as vile, inhuman and degrading.

Heck, every day I deal with capricious authoritarians wielding their petty bureaucratic state-backed power. If I was apoplectic about each intrusion I'd have high blood pressure and a need for pharmaceutical calming.

Putting up with and handling such stuff is good training for adult life. The Moslems will learn from their school experiences about the unpleasant effects of state-backed authority on individual freedom. Not all school lessons are those that the authorities think they are teaching.

Mqurice

PS: Vile, inhuman, degrading are words better used in the context of, for example, current New Zealand and USA race and gender laws. Racial segregation was common not long ago in the USA. Now THAT was vile, inhuman and degrading.