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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (16139)	1/23/2004 1:18:38 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"It has to be one or the other." I agree, if the universe diverges in the slightest degree from utter randomness, presto, you've got God!

To: TigerPaw who wrote (16139)	1/23/2004 2:32:25 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"It has to be one or the other." Fate is more of a Greek concept. I believe that God determines everything that is, so in that sense I believe in determinism. I don't believe in "fatalistic" determinism. That might seem like a distinction without a difference but to me, the idea of purpose gives meaning. The alternative is to existentially derive your own meaning from what you do. I have never seen that carried out to where it did not lead to either despotism or despair. Rather like being sucked into the nihilistic vortex of the toilette bowl of life. On that cheery thought ;) I am off for the weekend. Have a meaningful day. Greg

To: TigerPaw who wrote (16139)	1/24/2004 6:24:51 PM
From: Bill Fischofer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

Re: One or the other And why is that? These two positions are more similar than it might at first appear. Their fundamental commonality is an a priori rejection of the reality of choice. Of course, one can point out that since the basis for all a priori presumption is choice, such axioms are of necessity self-contradictory. But chaos and fate have wide appeal because both apparently absolve us of choice and responsibility. Such is the power of choice that we can choose to believe we have no choice. Unless we do not.