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To: cosmicforce who wrote (6050)	1/23/2004 6:52:18 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 20773

As you can see below, this is about more than WMD stockpiles. Once you can grasp this irrefutable fact, then we might be able to see who the real liars happen to be..... <font size=4> From UN Resolution 1441..... ....Recalling that in its resolution 687 the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution,<font size=3> usinfo.state.gov <font size=4> From UN Resolution 687.... ....Taking note with grave concern of the reports of the Secretary-General of 20 March 1991 and 28 March 1991, and conscious of the necessity to meet urgently the humanitarian needs in Kuwait and Iraq.... ....8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of: (a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities; (b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;.... ....12. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons- usable material or any subsystems or components or any research, development, support or manufacturing facilities.... ....32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism.... ....Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990).... <font size=3> dalebroux.com <font size=4> President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat October 7, 2002<font size=3> whitehouse.gov <font size=4> President Delivers "State of the Union"<font size=3> whitehouse.gov <font size=4> Remarks to the United Nations Security Council<font size=3> state.gov

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6050)	1/23/2004 7:09:32 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

What's the difference? That is what fearless leader says. :-) Of course the fact that they said "there ARE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" should be politely forgotten now since it was a mere "mistake" a faux pas... The problem isn't that a lot of people got hoodwinked by Saddam into believing in WMD's- the problem is going to war unilaterally (don't tell me about the coalition of the small and irrelevant) and preemptively. When going to war without the UN (something I do not approve of in general- and did not approve of when Clinton did it, and do not approve of now) one should be absolutely certain about one's cause. That is the problem with Bush and his minions. If Clinton had done this, and been wrong, he would be equally culpable- for the invasion, and for the aftermath. I'm glad he didn't do it. I'm sorry a republican did. And don't bash your head against a brick wall with people who don't get the picture about how important the WMD are. It is clearly important- and it was clearly important to the administration, when they were using WMDs to sell the war to the US people as THE causus belli (And they would not have spent so much time hunting them, and done so much stentorian announcing of WMD finds that were not WMD finds, if they were not important). Now, of course, the true believers say and pray it is not important; they'll bring up red herrings until the cows come home. Ignore them. There is nothing you can say to a true believer- and I don't know why you bother with them. Not only are they wrong, and frequently nasty, but they are boring. Don't waste your life units.