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To: rrufff who wrote (6081)1/24/2004 11:41:46 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 20773
 
"Look at the supposedly rationale posters who post over and over about how it's ok to be suicide bombers and it's ok to target civilians because of the fact that Israel has enslaved the Palestinians. Even if that lie were not a lie, I can't understand how any human can defend suicide bombers and those who purposely attack civilians. "

No one here is saying this. Red herring time? I understand the temptation of throwing in every emotional appeal, but that one is totally unrelated to what Cosmic was saying, and to what other people on this thread are saying. BEcause some posters, somewhere, post shit, we give the Israelis nukes? I don't think so. It's time to preemptively distance ourselves from Israel, not because they are Jewish and we're anti- semetic, but because their interests are not our interests. We are not Israel America- we are simply America.

We don't want to subjugate ourselves to the UN or "France"- to mention the shibboleth for the ingornati, and yet we'd like to bend over and grab our ankles for Israel. Sorry. I'm too much of an American patriot for that. I think we need to work well, and try to build bridges with all countries, not pick one little country, and be it's best friend ever, and in doing so alienate a bunch of other countries.

Now please, don't come back and tell me how much I like suicide bombers, and how I want to see Israelis driven in to the see, because I don't want to see that, and I've already had that discussion with other posters who are incapable of an unemotional discussion about Israel.



To: rrufff who wrote (6081)1/24/2004 5:38:34 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20773
 
There's no question that most Israelis would give up nuclear weapons, land, etc., for a real peace.

There has never been real peace in the Middle East since the first city states emerged thousands of years BCE.

It's unlikely that there ever will be. That's just the dymanic of an area which is sacred to all three of the major Western religions.

I can't begin to count the number of times Jerusalem has changed rulers/governments. But I'm sure the counting isn't over.