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To: Ilaine who wrote (123642)	1/24/2004 3:23:25 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 281500

<I've been seeing David Duke around for more than 30 years, we were at college at about the same time. He says that black people and white people cannot live together in peace.> Yesterday, I read Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, who was a slave in the USA. He was the result of miscegenation. He obviously lived together with himself very well. What a horror story the slave-whipping USA was. The late 100 year old Strom Thurmond's daughter is a living replica of Frederick's birth though her life was a lot better. Paternity Denial was a common thread in their lives. Frederick's middle names, Augustus Washington showed his mother had hopes of a grand nature for him [I assume his mother gave him those names as he didn't have a father, though his slave-drive master was probably his father, he thought]. The USA looked on melanin-rich people in the same way that Germans looked on Jews = subhuman. Now, the USA looks on aliens as subhumans with limited human rights, who may be caged for years without trial, habeas corpus and all that legalistic jargon which has no place when there's a permanent WAT, PNAC and pre-emptive attack on the go. An accusation is all that's needed. smh.com.au What of those who aren't so well-connected? I know what a gook is. I don't need to go back centuries to find racism. I know what a rag-head is. We have apartheid in New Zealand. It's amazing that people pick on one tiny aspect of a person, their natural sun protection level, as though that represents more than an infinitesimal aspect of their being, and which has zero to do with the most important attribute, which is their mind. Plus ca change, Mqurice

To: Ilaine who wrote (123642)	1/24/2004 5:36:13 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CB: its funny, but after posting my mulling over the subject went more or less along your lines too. Check my PS or PPS on that. >>Let the lies be told. Let all the lies be told, and the truth be told, and let them fight it out.<< A lot of times the acceptance of the lie is a symptom of something else (Im trying to reflect my impression of unhealthy symptoms in the former DDR): despair, feeling of being useless, worthless, ignored, nobody... When somebody tells you, it's the "others" (mcc: Turks, Vietnamese, Jews, dont forget Jews...) and no, your Wehrmacht father and your SS uncles were honorable men, and that only your discipline, rightousness and selfesteem will be able change your life and the world ("today we own Deutschland and tomorrow the whole world") well, d*n, man, here we go again... >> better jurists on the United States Supreme Court decided that the time to shut people up was when there was a "clear and present danger" that their speech would lead to criminal acts << I can't say what's the specific reason for criminalizing acts like the so-called Auschwitz-lie etc. Be assured, however, the constitutional substrate of the Federal Republic of Germany is based on pretty much the same foundations as the US' constitution. Maybe - but it's just some DJ's hypothesis out of the air, and probably way off the target - it's like getting somebody off the bottle. Defining the forgotten fruit you're not supposed to touch. PS: this is all borderline symptoms, anyhow not that important as economic factors, security aka terrorism ...