To: combjelly who wrote (181509 ) 1/26/2004 5:35:30 AM From: Amy J Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574267 combjelly, RE: "Our top universities are competitive (which is what I've been saying all along.) Not our lower school systems. Not only just our top universities, you have to get fairly low on the university rating before a lot of the non-American universities start to show up. Oh there are some, like Oxford and Cambridge, but American universities as a whole do quite well. Which is one reason I don't get all that worked up about how badly the lower schools do, it seems like those that go beyond the lower schools do ok." Oh yeah? But what happens when your supply is cut off by 65%. You do realize that 55% of engineering students are from foreign countries? And that we've cut them off? 75% drop in Asian enrollment between 1996 and 1999 (and this was during the boom years too!) We are going to be in deep dodo soon. Meanwhile, the overseas schools in the lower grades have gotten even more competitive, while ours haven't moved much. RE: " My youngest goes to an excellent private school that is very cheap, a little under $5k a year. It's very small, about 120 students for K-12, and the teachers get peanuts, about $18k a year. But it has a very rigorous curriculum and the students learn a lot. It's a bit too much on classical style education, I'd like to see more math and science and less Greek, Latin, French and Spanish (all the students learn all of them by grade 12). Still, they all go to at least Calculus by graduation. The students consistently rank higher than much better funded schools and almost all of them go to college." This sounds wonderful. Why is it working so wonderfully at such a low cost? ? ? Where is it? Sounds like you live in certain parts of the midwest, would be my guess, not California. RE: " Even the kids with Down's Syndrome perform better than many credit them as being able to do." Schools have a bad attitude towards the handicap. I would teach my sister (who is mentally retarded) math beyond what the school did, and she always did so much better than what the school expected. RE: " Most public schools that I know of fail because they don't expect the students to achieve, and oddly enough, most don't." Very true. Regards, Amy J