To: Neocon who wrote (123757 ) 1/26/2004 5:41:55 PM From: marcos Read Replies (2) | Respond to Neo, you expressed that you didn't care, i expressed in return that there are those who do care .... some 'sand', some 'face' .... you also said 'the term originated early, before anyone would claim we were an imperial power ', and that is not at all true, de Tocqueville had arrived in 1831, nineteen years after US nationals had begun trying to take the lands of canadians, and at least seven years after Steven Austin et al had been conspiring to perpetuate their working of captive negros in defiance of the law of the land What a portrayal of the institution of slavery has to do with the commonplaceness of the term "America" beats me. 'beats ' you ..... it was you who brought up de Toc queville, a quick review of dates involved will show what was actually happening at the time .... deT was visiting the US, waxing large about the liberales there, he did not travel to México and speak with any there, and so does not expose that side of US activity ... many US nationals did, check out Thoreau, Lundy, Webster, Adams, Emerson, there were many more ... you may wish to see this as separate, well i inform you that others do not, they see a great deal of self-righteousness stemming from such willful ignorance of history, just as the use of 'american' to denote a single nation stems from a willful ignorance of geography, and/or of human nature .... which latter showed up very strongly in your expectation that iraquis would welcome your tanks from across the sea .... 'O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!'
