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To: Ish who wrote (123811)	1/28/2004 1:02:00 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That "we" part, are you Rove? Cheney? Powell? Rice or Bush? You know for sure what each of them are thinking? Do you even know what they had for breakfast? Lunch? So what are you suggesting, Ish--that Rove, Cheney, Powell, Rice or Bush have a secret plan for exiting Iraq? A timetable? Obviously, their first alleged plan to drawn down to 30,000 troops by Aug/Sept of 2003 didn't pan out. What do you believe their plan is? Or is it something that people of my or Carl's obviously very slow ilk can't really comprehend, due to natural mental deficiencies which make us want to endanger our national security and risk disaster by not wishing to wage war against countries that we already have pinned and wriggling on the wall while our real enemies are allowed to regroup in other parts of the world? So do you think Iraq will have caucasses in the next 6 months or so, elect a new govt and then we'll get out, and everyone will live happily ever after now that that nasty Saddam guy is in jail? Or perhaps you think that the new govt in Iraq will want the US to keep 100,00 troops there for years to come, and Iraqis will just accept that.

To: Ish who wrote (123811)	1/28/2004 4:32:57 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Ish; Re: "That "we" part, are you Rove? Cheney? Powell? Rice or Bush? You know for sure what each of them are thinking? Do you even know what they had for breakfast? Lunch? " So you're saying that Rove, Cheney, Powell, Rice and Bush have a "secret plan to end the war"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Hey, here's a secret: They've admitted that they were caught flat footed by the Iraqi resistance and that they didn't have a plan for it. Ever since then, they've been looked on as probably not having a plan for winning in Iraq now, so there's no way in Hell that they're keeping any of their plans secret. In fact, they release details of their plan monthly. And it changes from month to month, LOL. Back when Saddam was captured, their plan was to say that the resistance was going to slowly die out. It didn't. In fact, every time they change tactics on the ground they announce that the resistance is now going to start decaying. Do you have any idea how many of our troops have died so far this month in Iraq? How many of our civilians? How many of the people from our fragile coalition? Hey, unwinnable wars don't last forever. Eventually, the side that can't win pulls out. And the administration does not now have a plan to end the war. The only plan they have is the knowledge that if they let the American people know that the war is unwinnable, the American people will insist that our troops come home, and will vote their asses out in November. They cannot admit this, so they lie to us, (and many of them, to themselves), and try to convince us that things are going well. Things are not going well. The administration has declared victory in this conflict over and over and over. Here's some cool Ish posts: Ish, April 14, 2003 CNN has reported a large stash of chemical weapons has been found buried deep in the ground outside of Karbala. #reply-18838234 Ish, April 21, 2003 I think the 4th Mec Division should be divereted to Israel and wipe out the Palestinians. That would be an end to the body bombers. #reply-18866416 In response to Bilow's comment: "Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly rejected advice from Pentagon planners to add more troops to the war effort." You wrote: Ish, June 13, 2003 What we had did a pretty good job even though it was less than Secretary Rumsfeld wanted due to the Turkey nix.#reply-19031067 Bilow, in reply: Unfortunately, the war is not yet over. Instead of patting yourself on the back, you should keep your hands on your gun. #reply-19031421 Ish, July 15, 2003 No nuke program, so why did they have all this? That's a lot of glow in the dark watches. ... #reply-19113485 also Take it to mean whatever you want. That's a lot of nuke material for no program. He must have just been a collector. #reply-19117170 This is was just before the UN left Iraq: Ish, July 24, 2003 I just had coffee with my neighbor and he updated me on the police situation in Iraq. He worked over 20 years in undercover work ... All in all it's looking like there will be an international police force and UN involvement. This post war stuff with the UN couldn't have been done before the war because the UN said there will be no war. #reply-19143552 Ish logic, where one blames the person who wants the killing to stop for the killing: Ish, August 22, 2003 Quagmire, that term automatically says Bush hater the same as bushies. They want the war to go badly and our people get killed. Same with the cheering every time one of our guys dies or a bus with 22 Jewish kids gets blown up. I can't understand how some people love to see peaceful people die. #reply-19236242 Well here it is, later January, and still a quagmire. Is there a "secret plan" to win in Iraq? The only one you've provided is this: Ish, September 1, 2003 I've changed my mind on muslims. Kill them all.#reply-19263317 Unfortunately for your plan, the American people won't stand for it. By the way, your plan would have worked in Vietnam, or Algeria, but the Americans and French wouldn't implement it then, either. -- Carl