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To: FaultLine who wrote (27027)	1/29/2004 10:39:29 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793883

Well I mention my service in Vietnam too but just because I did my duty and I gave it my all did not/does not preclude me from opposing the war and speaking out against it. I brought up in an earlier post that the Veterans will break along their normal political lines. Kerry's war record and Senate experience gives him immunity to the anti-war charge. But his flip flopping on almost all issues is really going to hurt him. He made a speech a while back about the Teacher's Unions that was right in line with my thinking. Now he has flipped. This type of behavior is very common in his BG, and Rove will make hay with it.

To: FaultLine who wrote (27027)	1/29/2004 10:52:27 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793883

This reminds me of the time I let (stupidly - because I didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground) a criminal defendant give an alibi, rather than making him stick with taking the Fifth all the way down the road. You can't have it both ways. If you want to take the Fifth, you can't give an alibi. And if you want to give an alibi, you can't take the Fifth. Similarly, you can't damn a man for not doing his duty 100% unless you, yourself, did your duty 100%. You may not find that fact convenient, but I suggest to you that it's human nature. Pot-kettle-black and all that. Oh, the guy who I allowed to simultaneously try to take the Fifth and give an alibi? After the preliminary hearing, when the case got sent to the Grand Jury to indict him for a felony, he took a gun and went out into the woods and killed himself. It wasn't a big deal felony, despite the way it looked. He fucked up royally by being in the same car with some tough guys at a party who were disrespected and came back with shotguns in order to reclaim their manhood. He should have got out the car but he didn't. And his sweet mamacita, who worked her ass off and was rarely home, was muy disappointed. But we never talked about any of that before he shot himself. Nobody was hurt. Nobody was shot, nobody even brandished a weapon, the cops just found the gun in the passenger seat where my guy was sitting, that's all. It's a felony, but it's a bullshit felony. But he was a sweet kid and was trying hard and his mamacita was trying even harder and she broke his heart. He broke her heart is what I meant to say. Well, let it go like that, they broke each other's hearts, but he killed himself and she was left to carry the weight. The absent dad was the prick in the story but that's another story, I guess. Anyway, you don't forget stuff like that. Personally, I won't ever get over it. It's been years. Keep your mouth shut, or sing, but you can't do both at the same time. Did the war in Viet Nam suck? I thought so. So, is Dubya a shit for doing no different than Kerry did, or Clinton did, or Gore did, or Dean did? Heh. You don't wanna go there. Trust me on this one. You are not the only one with dead bleeding bodies of semi-innocent young men in your past.