To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (181942 ) 1/31/2004 8:11:46 AM From: Road Walker Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576401 Ten, re: Oh please, since when did the Democrats complain that Bush is being "too liberal"? Oh please, I'm not a Democrat. re: Even as they try to argue the deficit, they are pushing for the typical liberal solution to the deficit: higher taxes for the "rich." Maybe you didn't notice, but the "rich" just got several tax cuts that are helping the deficit grow to historic highs. It's not like raising the nominal rate for the highest quintile would be a historic, it would bring it back to "normal". And if you want to talk about the spending side, look at the numbers:Profligate President Average annual real increases in domestic discretionary spending. Johnson 65-69 4.3% Nixon 70-75 6.8% Ford 76-77 8% Carter 78-81 2% Reagan 82-89 -1.3% Bush 1 90-93 4% Clinton 94-01 2.5% Bush 2 02-04 8.2% source: WSJ With the exception of Reagan and Johnson, ALL the Republican Presidents have outspent ALL the Democrat Presidents. And only Reagan and Bush 1 underspent Johnson, considered the ultimate Dem spender. Bush 2, Ford, and Nixon all outspent Johnson. So "Oh please" forget the rhetoric and dogma, it's bull sh-t. Conservative and liberal isn't determined by issues like abortion and gun control, those issues are decided by the courts, not by the party rhetoric (marketing). The real conservative/liberal Presidential issue is fiscal, and it has nothing to do party; it has to do with discipline and putting the good of the country above pandering to special interests and constituencies to get reelected. Don't fall for the party marketing crap, it's historically inaccurate, it's all rhetoric and false dogma. Stand up for the principle you believe in, not for the "team" (read party). Look at reality, not the false marketing picture both sides are relentlessly trying to promote. John