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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Solon who wrote (16188)2/1/2004 10:07:47 AM
From: briskit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
From what I've read, the data points from the human side include a few different items, all of which will always be interpreted in different ways. One is the existence of the "self," our self-consciousness, etc. This self-awareness is generally considered distinctively human, though that's probably argued as well. So the question is about the significance of this evolutionary development as it occurs in humans. Secondly, we have this drive for meaning about all this, which is the symbolic aspects. We extrapolate and posit the existence of this self, against all odds and hard evidence, into eternity, if you will. We don't think any other creatures bother themselves with this exercise either. Psychoanalysts say the entire massive edifice of our character (personality) is both a huge justification for our existence, and an escape or repression of the consequences of our mortality. From an evolutionary and purely materialistic point of view, what a huge waste of energy, what a diversion, what self-deception and running from reality!! We for some reason reach with our character edifices for significance way beyond our immediate physical confines, our bodies and what we need to survive. At the same time we deny consciousness of our mortality in many ways, and the end of such a wonderful being as ourselves. We symbolically project ourselves into the stars, "the heavens" if you will, for eternity. Then there's conscience, as I've mentioned. Freud posited an ancient patricide as the origins of conscience, which he later revised. But this sense of right and wrong, accompanied by a sense of guilt.....how did it ever first get experienced? Suddenly without having this sense, somebody out of the blue experienced something as "wrong," not just painful or having negative consequences that they wish they'd avoided. You're familiar with those discussions.
As for the ancient religions, they are an interesting mix of cultural, human, time-specific presuppositions, etc. That can also all be interpreted and explained in many ways. One interesting thing to me about Judaism is that the writings depict the people as completely unfaithful to the relationship they understood they should have with God. It was always God who both initiated an awareness of God, but who also maintained the relationship. The Jews made mistakes of feeling themselves to occupy a special place, a special people because they were specially chosen, but actually the point is that they bore a special responsibility to the world to represent God. They were clearly not special, no offense to the Jews. And I know about the problems with superstitions and presuppositions showing up in the stories they tell. They could not very well completely step outside themselves in the telling of their experiences. And I take it as a problem God would have in any case, in any time in history. We consider ourselves quite advanced to the problems exhibited by those primitive peoples. But I wonder if we are significantly advanced when compared to the actual character and nature of God. I don't think our improvements give us that great of an advantage, especially compared to the starting points of the ancients in conceiving what God must be like in their particular contexts. This is kind of how I try to put together these various data points.