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Politics : HOWARD DEAN -THE NEXT PRESIDENT? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	1/31/2004 8:53:33 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 3079

Edwards would be a good choice if he the members of the Democratic Party as a whole say so. This will happen if he secceeds in getting the required number of delegates. We will stand behind the nominee no matter what. We know to give a good fight and rally behind the winner. Unlike the Repubs we do not annoint.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	1/31/2004 9:45:15 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 3079

In that case, this thread may interest you: Subject 54594

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	2/1/2004 10:23:49 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 3079

I would hope you folks would back the candidate who has the best chance of beating Bush. GENEXT: The Real Kerry Students once turned off by the Massachusetts senator now gush about his electability. But Bush is still the man to beat By Ryan Gorsche NewsweekFeb. 9 issue - The crumbling of Howard Dean's candidacy is bittersweet for college conservatives. Sure, we're glad voters were wise enough to understand what we've been saying all along: Dean is unfit for the presidency. Still, it's unlikely Republicans now will have the pleasure of seeing President George W. Bush face an opponent so easily beaten (a remarkable surge in the polls by Dennis Kucinich notwithstanding). Some young Republicans are even wondering whether Dean's demise and the rise of John Kerry will mean serious trouble for Bush in November. Of course, Kerry hasn't crossed the finish line yet. But here at Dartmouth, as in the rest of the country, he's the Democrat to beat. Many of my classmates—once dyed-in-the-(organically grown) wool Deaniacs—are now supporting the Massachusetts liberal. Dean, they say, still has their hearts, but Kerry has their votes. This pragmatism is a new phenomenon: Kerry's insider status, anchorman coif and penchant for plugging his Vietnam resume initially turned off Dartmouth students who liked Dean's outsider credentials. Now with electability the mantra of the moment, they're learning to love the candidate. The NEWSWEEK Poll showing Kerry running neck-and-neck in a hypothetical matchup with President Bush makes most of the "anybody but Bush" crowd around here giddy for a Kerry nomination. Will college students like what they see once they get to know Kerry? We college conservatives certainly don't. Kerry's rants against the economy of privilege make us cringe. This is a man who, according to financial-disclosure forms, ranks among the wealthiest men in the Senate and has his own special-interest group in ketchup- heiress wife Teresa Heinz Kerry. Don't be mistaken: I'm not a young Republican taking a surprising stand against wealth. But college conservatives are lectured about our "privilege" every day. It's particularly grating to hear that criticism coming from a man who enjoyed trips on JFK's yacht as a boy. Kerry claims that "Democrats should stand up for everyday Americans who work hard, hope for the future and face extraordinary challenges every day." One question: discounting union bosses, does John Kerry associate with any everyday Americans? Still, as obviously disingenuous as Kerry may be, I'm not optimistic that college students will see through his spin. Both the senator and the average student suffer from the same problem: peer pressure. John Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, regime change in Iraq and the No Child Left Behind Act—a laundry list of issues liberals love to hate. But when Dean started shaking things up in the Democratic Party, Kerry started singing a different tune. Suddenly everything he voted for was, like, so last year. Bush-hating college students seem prepared to forget Kerry's Bush-lite record, too. At least we college conservatives remember the old Kerry. If he wins the nomination, he's going to have to tell us which John Kerry is the real John Kerry. My money says either one can be beaten by George W. Bush. Gorsche, a Dartmouth senior, is one of five college journalists covering Campaign 2004 for Newsweek and Newsweek.com. © 2004 Newsweek, Inc.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	2/1/2004 11:02:06 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3079

Dean on TV "Meet the Press" for the full year. Anybody watching. Will be back at the end of the hour.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	2/1/2004 1:44:12 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 3079

Killer Clown, I discussed Kerry with local Vietnam vets & 2 out of 3 said they oppose him because of his radical anti-war activities. In fact I was told there's a website set up by Vietnam veterans against Kerry. Dean is regaining momentum. Media loves a comeback kid: Dean was Guest on Meet the Press, 01-Feb-2004 8:52AM Story from AP ----------------------------------------------------------- WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean lamented his losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, acknowledging Sunday, "We took a gamble and it didn't pay off." Once the front-runner in the race for the party's presidential nomination, Dean told NBC's "Meet the Press" he regretted burning through most of the $41 million his campaign raised last year. "We spent a lot of money in Iowa and New Hampshire trying to win," Dean said. "We took an enormous gamble and it didn't work." The former Vermont governor laid out his campaign strategy, looking past the next round of primaries and caucuses in seven states on Tuesday, with eye toward the Feb. 7 caucuses in Michigan and Washington state and the Wisconsin primary 10 days later. "We probably won't win someplace by Feb. 3, with the possible exception of New Mexico," he said. But Dean vowed to press on, maintaining that "this race is about delegates." He was quick to point out that while rival John Kerry won the first two contests, Dean actually has more delegates at this point than Kerry. Dean has 114 delegates to the Democratic convention, to Kerry's 103, of the 2,162 delegates needed to win the nomination, according to an Associated Press tally. A total of 269 delegates are up for grabs in the seven states with contests on Tuesday. Democratic delegates are awarded proportionately based on the popular vote cast within individual congressional districts as well as a state as a whole. Dean insisted that he won't play the spoiler if he doesn't have enough delegates to win. "I'm not going to do anything that's going to harm the Democratic Party. If we get blown out again and again and again ... if somebody else gets more delegates and they clinch it, of course, I'm not going to go all the way to the convention just to prove a point," Dean said. During his one-hour appearance on the show, Dean continued his criticism of Sen. Kerry as a Washington insider with deep ties to special interests, charging that the Massachusetts lawmaker has raised more money from lobbyists over the past 15 years than any other senator. "That is exactly what's wrong with American politics and that's why 50 percent of the people in this country don't vote," Dean said. Kerry has defended himself, saying he has never taken money from groups, but from individuals, some of whom were lobbyists. Dean insisted on the program that he stands by his criticism and won't apologize.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (2662)	2/1/2004 5:50:37 PM
From: Mephisto	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3079

The crowd chanted: HOW-WARD! HOW-WARD! It was like old times in Seattle yesterday when people lined up three hours b4 the doors opened for a chance to see Howard Dean at a town hall meeting. The New York Times thinks it is only the 19 and 20 year olds who are Howard's fans, but Howard charmed people of all ages, and if he doesn't make it as the nominee it will be many years b4 another sincere politician turns up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Come Back, Little Deaniacs Editorial The New York Times February 1, 2004 However he fares in the coming primaries, Howard Dean has already touched more than a few young lives. Around the country - campus by campus, computer by computer - thousands of teenagers and 20-somethings have fallen hard for his campaign. They're lucky. It's a wonderful experience to lose one's political heart for the first time, as did the college students who sacrificed long hair and beards to be "clean for Gene" - Eugene McCarthy - in 1968, or the young men who stood bare-chested waving placards for Bill Bradley in the New Hampshire snow or followed the banner of Senator John McCain in 2000. The newly enchanted of 2004 bring a rush of young blood into the nation's old campaign arteries. Unfortunately, the nearly inevitable conclusion of these first heady forays into presidential campaigning is political heartbreak. "Don't you lose some essence of life when you really can't give your heart?" asked Kate DeBolt, an 18-year-old Floridian who says she could "go to the ends of the earth" for Dr. Dean. Her candidate is still very much in the race, and his campaign's pioneer work with the Internet is going to transform grass-roots politics. But ever since the Iowa returns, his more innocent followers have been grappling with the shock of discovering that it is possible to be pure of heart, fired with dedication, and still lose overwhelmingly. Many of the young people who heeded Senator McCarthy's antiwar message in 1968 spiraled away from politics forever when Hubert Humphrey won the Democratic nomination. The young Deaniacs could easily add to the near majority of eligible voters in America who find politics a waste of effort. One of the most important missions of the Democratic nominee this year is to help keep young people interested when the campaign boils down to the deeply pragmatic politics of the summer and fall. Already, after losing in Iowa and New Hampshire, some of the Deaniacs are beginning to adjust, slightly. Chris Zychowski says whatever happens, this campaign has "changed the course of my life." Mr. Zychowski, a software expert from San Francisco, says he's going to law school, a better route to fighting for the issues. As for politics, "I'll vote for anyone but Bush, but I'll only devote my life like this to Howard Dean." If the product of the Dean movement is thousands of young people who are slightly hardened to the lure of a charismatic candidate, but determined to keep on fighting for a better world, it will have been a success no matter what happens to the former governor of Vermont. That is the way politics, at its best, works. First you discover that your paragon of a candidate is all too deeply human. Then you realize that the real heroics come from you and your friends with the pamphlets, stolidly going door to door. Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company nytimes.com