To: Ilaine who wrote (124108 ) 2/1/2004 2:03:03 AM From: marcos Respond to Often those denigrated as aristocrats by those calling themselves democrats, were far more lenient with the subservient in their charge ..... this is how Tecumseh became a canadian hero, by figuring out who his friends were .... yes i did know that about Jackson, the franchise was widened in the US right around the time of the 1832 Reform law in Britain ..... some of the speeches in re the latter are a hoot, fancy ways of saying 'bloody unwashed revolutionaries bla bla' ..... many believed that if others than landowners voted, agriculture would suffer, with starvation as the result .... well it didn't work that way [but the landowners' Corn Laws did], they were ignoring the law of supply and demand ..... on territorial acquisitiveness, Injuh et al, in Britain it was the tories who leaned that way, pretty exclusively "White" means Anglo ' ... i had a grandfather who was known to use the term 'black irish' ... also, but with a twinkle in his eye because my grandmother liked things french, 'wogs begin at Calais' .... pressed to it, he would have admitted the dutch, germans, and scandahoovians to be 'white', yes, however his next phrase would begin with a weighty 'But' ..... and he was a very tolerant liberal guy, in fact a capital-L Liberal in a province where such animals are now extinct ... he had a lot to do with indians, there was mutual respect there, they were welcome in each others houses and worked together a lot .... still, you could see where had been the attitudes of previous generations, from what was left in the language .... 'free white and twenty-one', of course that required maleness as well, so obvious it was left unspoken -g- .... he had seen a good bit of the world, on the Queen's shilling, but few travelled in those days, there wasn't widespread education or cheap communications, it was a small club who could grasp broader concepts, and when they did they were still quite tribal about it ..... and with my grandfather, making 'enough money' wouldn't have gotten you in his club, it could have put you in the londoner class, 'the worst of the bloody lot' ... 'enough education', well maybe, but if at least some of it wasn't about horses, then you were s.o.l. there too
