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To: Oblomov who wrote (16513)	2/1/2004 3:23:41 PM
From: GraceZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Oh no, we must eliminate all suffering even if it means we all suffer from the consequences of such action, then we can all be equally poor. No one ever talks in these articles about how over-coming adversity makes people stronger. Plus, they always compare poor people to rich people instead of poor people in one time period with poor people in another time period. Poor people must only be poor relatively to rich, because if they compare poor from today to poor of ten fifteen years ago, they are far better off in a lot of respects. The other thing is that they assume that the increase in crime in neighborhoods where people receive social benefits is simply because they don't receive enough, they never make the connection between receiving those benefits and how it destroys the family system and how those government programs trap people in poverty. I know these things because I'm an escapee as are many of my friends and family members. Truth is that if you stay away from drugs, stay out of jail, don't become pregnant as a teenager, get a job and keep a job and stay off government programs it is almost impossible to stay in poverty in this country. These are all things people can make a personal choice to do. Problem is, no one wants to say this out loud because it is politically incorrect to mention that poverty might have something to do with someone's personal choices and that many people like myself walk out of that situation. If you have the extreme luck to be born in the US it doesn't require putting yourself in an inner tube and floating to Florida to escape a repressive regime.

To: Oblomov who wrote (16513)	2/1/2004 6:32:40 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 306849

I agree with you. My concern is that policies designed to punish freeloaders will also punish the truly needy, which can be found sleeping in alleys and dumpster diving in every American city, and these are only the most visible. For every homeless person you see, there are probably ten working poor people, choosing between food, medicine and rent. I think a way needs to be found to temper unbridled capitalism, which would abandon these people, as there is no profit in them to be extracted.