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To: FaultLine who wrote (27405)2/1/2004 7:20:55 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793845
 
This is what I was talking about, and the right way to do it. Use your Party Chairman as a "stalking horse," and see if the mud sticks. Typical sparring.

Democratic Party Chief Attacks Bush on Military Record
By KIRK SEMPLE

New York Times

Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, caustically attacked President Bush today on his military record, as the party's presidential candidates campaigned in most of the seven states that will hold primaries or caucuses on Tuesday.

Mr. McAuliffe criticized President Bush on his attendance for National Guard service during the Vietnam War. The comments delineated a line of attack that Senator John Kerry, the front-runner in the campaign and a decorated war veteran, may adopt should he be the party's nominee and face Mr. Bush in a one-on-one race.

"I look forward to that debate when John Kerry, a war hero with a chest full of medals, is standing next to George Bush, a man who was AWOL in the Alabama National Guard," Mr. McAuliffe said in an interview on the ABC News program "This Week." "George Bush never served in our military in our country. He didn't show up when he should have showed up. And there's John Kerry on the stage with a chest full of medals that he earned by saving the lives of American soldiers. So, as John Kerry says, `Bring it on!' "

Mr. Bush was in the Air National Guard in Texas from 1972 to 1973, but he did not appear for duty from May to November 1972, when he was working as the campaign manager for Winton M. Blount, a Republican Senate candidate in Alabama. A National Guard official and Mr. Bush's spokesmen have said he made up the missed dates, as Guard regulations allow.

The Democratic presidential candidates have avoided making Mr. Bush's military service an issue in this campaign.

Ed Gillespie, chairman of the Republican National Committee, called Mr. McAuliffe's comments today "slanderous," "despicable" and "reprehensible."

"President Bush served honorably in the National Guard," Mr. Gillespie said in a telephone interview today. "He was never AWOL. To make an accusation like that on national television with no basis in fact is despicable."

He added: "I think they are desperate, so they're willing to hurl false charges on national television."

Mr. McAuliffe's statement came two days after a scathing attack on President Bush's war record, delivered by Senator Max Cleland of Georgia on behalf of Mr. Kerry.

Mr. Cleland said on Friday that Mr. Kerry was "a real deal" and President Bush was "a raw deal." He added, "We need somebody who felt the sting of battle — not someone who didn't even complete his tour stateside in the Guard."

Mr. McAuliffe, who emphasized today that he was not favoring Mr. Kerry over any other Democratic candidate, said the party, regardless of the nominee, was prepared to take on President Bush "and his henchmen" on the issues of the military and defense.

Mr. McAuliffe said that when members of President Bush's team "come after our nominee and try to attack our nominee and our party as it relates to national security, we are going to raise all legitimate questions as relates to the president's conduct of foreign affairs and his past."

On Thursday, Mr. Gillespie, devoted much of a speech at the party's winter meeting in Washington, D.C., to questions about Mr. Kerry's positions on military strength and national security and his voting record over four terms as a senator from Massachusetts.

Mr. Gillespie's focus on Senator Kerry, compared with only passing references to other candidates, left the impression that Republicans are convinced that Mr. Kerry is likely to be President Bush's opponent in November.

According to opinion polls, Mr. Kerry held commanding leads today in Missouri, Arizona and New Mexico, and was in a very tight race with retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark for the top spot in Oklahoma. In South Carolina, Senator John Edwards of North Carolina was leading Mr. Kerry in opinion polls. Voters in Delaware and North Dakota will also vote on Tuesday.

Mr. Kerry campaigned today in North Dakota, where he planned to stay and watch the Super Bowl. Mr. Edwards and the Rev. Al Sharpton were in South Carolina, General Clark was scheduled to be in Oklahoma and Arizona, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut was scheduled to be in Delaware and Oklahoma and Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio was in New Mexico.

Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor, was scheduled to campaign in Milwaukee and Detroit today before heading to Santa Fe, N.M. In an interview this morning on the NBC News program "Meet the Press," Dr. Dean continued to criticize Mr. Kerry for having close ties to special interest groups, saying that the Massachusetts senator has raised more money from special interests over the past 15 years than any other senator.

"That is exactly what's wrong with American politics and that's why 50 percent of the people in this country don't vote," Dr. Dean said.

Mr. Kerry responded to similar comments this week by saying that he would "take a second seat to nobody in this race" in the fight against special interests.

Dr. Dean also said he regretted spending tens of millions of dollars early in his campaign, only to come up short in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary.

"We spent a lot of money in Iowa and New Hampshire trying to win," he said. "We were trying to do essentially what John Kerry is now doing: We were planning on trying to get a huge momentum out of Iowa, and it didn't work. We took an enormous gamble and it didn't work."

Dr. Dean predicted that his chances now of winning any of Tuesday's contests were slim and said he was looking beyond that round of primaries and caucuses to the Feb. 7 caucuses in Michigan and Washington state and the Wisconsin primary on Feb. 17.

"We probably won't win someplace by Feb. 3, with the possible exception of New Mexico, and we're going to continue on," he said.

Yet he insisted that if he did not collect enough delegates to win the nomination, he would not play the spoiler.

"I'm not going to do anything that's going to harm the Democratic Party if we get blown out again and again and again," he said. He added that he would not "go all the way to the convention just to prove a point."



To: FaultLine who wrote (27405)2/2/2004 3:15:24 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793845
 
The article below by Melanie Phillips is excellent. For
doubters, I suggest reading these two articles first......

Key Excerpts from David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
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Transcript: David Kay at Senate hearing
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Dr Kay is not the useful idiot the anti-war party claims
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By Melanie Phillips
(Filed: 01/02/2004)

Hardly had Lord Hutton finished summarising his report than the goalposts were promptly moved. Among those who were apoplectic that he had exonerated the Government and eviscerated the BBC, the cry arose that he hadn't addressed the "wider" issue.

This was that the Iraq war was based on false intelligence that Saddam posed a threat with his weapons of mass destruction. This myth has been reinforced by widespread media reports that Dr David Kay, who recently resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, has said that no WMD actually existed in Iraq, thus proving that Saddam was no threat and we were led up the garden path to war.

If you look, however, at what Dr Kay actually said last
week to the Senate Armed Services committee and in media
interviews, a very different picture emerges. Certainly,
he claimed there had been a major failure of intelligence
which had misrepresented the situation. But he was
specifically referring to large weapons stockpiles which
he now thought were not there after all, and to the large-
scale weapons programme which he said had been wound down
after 1991.

Intelligence agencies, he said, had failed to grasp that in the corruption and chaos of the Iraqi regime, Saddam himself was being told lies about his weapons programmes, whose large-scale production had stalled under the pressure of UN inspections.

Such a serious intelligence failure is clearly a huge political embarrassment for both President Bush and Tony Blair, prompting even the US National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, to acknowledge that mistakes had been made and President Bush to say he wants to "know the facts".

But Dr Kay was not saying Saddam was therefore no threat
on the WMD front. On the contrary, not only did he say it
was possible that smaller WMD stockpiles remained hidden
in Iraq, but that "right up to the end" the Iraqis were
trying to produce the deadly poison ricin.

"They were mostly researching better methods for
weaponisation," he said. Not only that, Saddam had
restarted a rudimentary nuclear programme. And he had also
maintained an active ballistic missile programme that was
receiving significant foreign assistance until the start
of the war.

Such revelations corresponded with Dr Kay's interim report
last autumn, which detailed "dozens of WMD-related
programme activities" which had been successfully
concealed from Dr Hans Blix's UN inspectors.

These included a clandestine network of laboratories
containing equipment suitable for chemical and biological
weapons research, and new research on the biological
agents Brucella and Congo Crimean Haemorrhagic Fever.
Furthermore, a scientist who had hidden a phial of live
Botulinum in his house had identified "a large cache of
agents" that he had been asked, but had refused, to
conceal and for which the ISG was now searching.

This all suggested, said Dr Kay, that after 1996 Saddam
had focused on "smaller covert capabilities that could be
activated quickly" to produce biological weapons agents.
And last week he told this newspaper that he had
discovered, from the interrogation of Iraqi scientists,
that before the war Saddam had hidden WMD programme
components in Syria.

So according to Dr Kay, Saddam had posed a very live
threat indeed from WMD. Yet this evidence has been almost
totally disregarded, as an nearly unanimous chorus of
journalists has asserted that even Dr Kay said Iraq had no
WMD.

Dr Kay's evidence has been brushed aside because of the
assiduously promulgated myth that we only went to war
because we were told that Iraq had WMD that were ready to
use. But this is not so. We went to war because Saddam was
grossly in breach of UN resolutions instructing him to
prove he had dismantled his WMD programme.

True, Bush and Blair asserted that he had WMD stockpiles
which would be found. But this was not the reason for war.
Such claims were only made to bolster the case to a public
that seemed incapable of grasping that the reason for war
was not the presence of WMD but the absence of evidence
that it had been removed.

Failure to make this case successfully led Bush and Blair
to claim - according to Dr Kay, in good faith but on the
basis of flawed intelligence - that since these stockpiles
were unaccounted for they were probably still there. That
claim has now spectacularly backfired, since the failure
to discover any WMD has merely led people to conclude that
this proves the war was indeed ill-founded. But this is
not so.

For the fact that Saddam was actively engaged in WMD
programmes, large-scale or not, shows he was indeed in
breach of the UN resolutions, and was indeed the threat he
had been assumed to be from his record, temperament,
regional ambitions and links to terrorism.

How much ricin, after all, do you need to kill thousands
of people? To listen to anti-war critics, it would seem
that modest amounts of biological agent somehow don't
count as WMD, or a re-started nuclear programme is no
threat because it is only rudimentary.

To Dr Kay, the war was absolutely necessary because Saddam
had become "even more dangerous" than had been realised,
and, he said last week, "it was reasonable to reach the
conclusion that Iraq posed an imminent threat". Yet
virtually no one has reported these remarks. Instead, Dr
Kay is being quoted out of context to sustain the charge
of Government duplicity by the anti-war brigade.

They have implied that Dr Kay resigned because he realised
no WMD ever existed. But actually, he threw down his bat
and stormed off the pitch in fury at the Bush
administration for failing to give the ISG the money it
needed to search for WMD, and for its incompetence in not
preventing crucial evidence being destroyed by Iraqi
looters.

Those who know him well say he is so angry that he has been determined to embarrass the administration as much as possible. The result is that he has enabled the British media and anti-war politicians to take his finding that Saddam posed a different sort of threat, even deadlier than had been thought, and turn it instead into the false claim that he said no threat had existed at all.

History is constantly being rewritten over Iraq by people
who were against the war from the start and have presented
every development in the most malevolent light to prove
that Bush and Blair took us to war on a lie. Logic,
rationality and judgment have been suspended; and Dr Kay's
testimony is but the latest casualty.

opinion.telegraph.co.uk.

"In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
Mark Twain

People are always talking to you about truth. Everybody always knows what the truth is, like it was toilet paper or something and they got a supply in the closet. But what you learn as you get older is that there ain't no truth. All there is is bullshit, layers of it. One layer of bullshit layered on top of another. And what you do in life, like when you get older, is you pick the layer of bullshit you prefer, and it's your bullshit.
Dustin Hoffman in Hero