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To: Rick Faurot who wrote (36718)2/2/2004 12:50:38 AM
From: Mannie  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
From June 7, 2002....

Now some of the unknowns are known....mainly that Rumsfeld is a loon, at best.

'Unknown unknowns' a big threat: Rumsfeld

BRUSSELS, June 6: US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld baffled NATO allies and journalists alike on Thursday by
saying the greatest threats to Western civilisation may lurk in "unknown unknowns".

Rumsfeld told a news conference in Brussels he had explained to allied defence ministers that even US intelligence
agencies often only saw the tip of the iceberg in looking at military threats from "terrorists and terrorist states".

"What you find is there are very important pieces of intelligence information that countries that spend a lot of money and a
lot of time with a lot of wonderful people trying to learn more about what's going on in the world did not know - some
significant event for two years after it happened...in some cases 12 and 13 and 14 years after it happened," he said.

Rumsfeld was defending Washington's view that the United States and its allies could not wait for "absolute proof" before
taking action against groups and states suspected of acquiring weapons of mass destruction.

"The message is that there are no knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns, that is to
say there are things we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns - things we do not know we
don't know. "So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say 'well, that's
basically what we see as the situation', that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year we
discover a few more of those unknown unknowns," he said.

Acknowledging that his argument might sound like a riddle, Rumsfeld concluded with a flourish: "There is another way to
phrase that, and that is that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Rogue states: The US defense secretary said the United States and its allies must go on the offensive against "terror states"
and terrorists, warning that the threat of weapons of mass destruction is worse than imagined.

"Absolute proof cannot be a precondition for action," Rumsfeld said in talking points prepared for his meeting here with
NATO defense ministers, and made available to reporters traveling with the secretary.

Rumsfeld's call to action came as ministers discussed ways to make NATO forces capable of responding swiftly to
terrorists and weapons of mass destruction in far-flung crises. The heightened sense of urgency was shared by most
NATO ministers, senior US defense officials said.

Among Rumsfeld's points were that the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was pervasive and that access to
those capabilities was "inevitable." Real situation worse than what facts show," was one of the talking points. "Repeatedly
thought 'X' was the case, only to discover we underestimated."

He noted that the consequences of an attack with weapons of mass destruction were catastrophic and there was little or no
warning or margin for error. Under those conditions, the initiative was with terrorists and terrorist-states, he said.-Reuters



To: Rick Faurot who wrote (36718)2/2/2004 1:22:49 AM
From: Selectric II  Respond to of 89467
 
Who was a greater threat to the world -- Hussein, or Milosevic?



To: Rick Faurot who wrote (36718)2/2/2004 11:12:03 AM
From: Rick Faurot  Respond to of 89467
 
Whitewash time at the White House:

Published on Monday, February 2, 2004 by CNN
Bush to Pick Panel for WMD Inquiry, Official Says
Bush will set a deadline for the investigation of sometime in early to mid-2005



WASHINGTON -- President Bush will name members of a commission to review prewar U.S. intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs, a senior administration official said Monday.

The senior official said the president consulted some "appropriate" lawmakers about the appointments for a bipartisan, independent commission.

Many such previous panels have involved compromises in which the president names some members and congressional leaders select others.

Bush could name the appointments as soon as Monday, but they also could come in a few days as the White House scrambles to arrange security clearances and other procedures for the panel members, administration sources said.

The intelligence to be reviewed was used to justify the U.S.-led war in Iraq, the first under Bush's national security strategy calling for pre-emptive attacks against terrorist groups and nations that possess or are developing weapons of mass destruction.

David Kay, the former U.S. chief weapons inspector in Iraq, told a Senate panel last week that his group did not find such weapons and that he didn't believe stockpiles of banned weapons would turn up either.

"It turns out we were all wrong, and that is most disturbing," Kay said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing during which he called for an independent probe of the apparent intelligence failure.

Initially, the White House rejected calls from Kay and lawmakers for an independent review of prewar intelligence on Iraq. But with political pressure mounting, Vice President Dick Cheney began making calls last week to key members of Congress to explore potential compromises.

The president is expected to sign an executive order creating the commission.

White House staff have been told to review procedures for staffing and sharing information with the panel -- an issue that has caused conflict with the commission studying intelligence lapses before the attacks of September 11, 2001.

The panel also will be charged with exploring the quality of intelligence gathering relating to the challenges of weapons proliferation and "outlaw regimes" that preside over closed societies, sources said.

"[The president] wants it to be more broad than Iraq," the senior official said. "The president's view is there are a number of challenges for our intelligence community on the issues of weapons of mass destruction, and we need to look at the broader issue of closed societies and outlaw regimes and our capabilities to gather necessary intelligence."

Bush will set a deadline for the investigation of sometime in early to mid-2005, the sources said. The panel is likely to have nine members, the sources said.

The British government is expected to announce soon whether it will order an inquiry into why no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, according to the office of Prime Minister Tony Blair.

The White House sources spoke about the Iraq inquiry after a week in which Kay and congressmen from both parties called for an independent investigation into why U.S. intelligence appeared to be wrong.

"It's important that it be outside the normal political process so it can have the maximum credibility," Kay told CNN.

"This is important for domestic support of the intelligence community and of our foreign policy. It's important for national security, and it's certainly important for our ability to lead other countries in the future against threats that we may think threaten us."

Kay said the United States was not alone in its prewar interpretation of Iraq's weapons capability. Although other countries' intelligence agencies differed on how serious the threat from Iraq was and what course of action to take to mitigate it, "there was very little difference around the world on the issue of 'Does [Saddam Hussein] have weapons?' " Kay told CNN. " ' Yes, he did,' was the consensus."

In the National Intelligence Estimate, which was declassified in October 2002, the U.S. State Department said it could not find a compelling case that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons. But the administration never cited that report in making the public case to go to war.

"There are caveats that clearly dropped out, dissenting opinions that clearly dropped out, as you moved higher up and people read the headline summaries," Kay said. "I think this is something that needs to be investigated and looked at."

Kay said Bush's policy of pre-emptive war cannot survive intact unless the quality of U.S. intelligence-gathering and analysis is improved.

"If you cannot rely on good, accurate intelligence that is credible to the American people and to others abroad, you certainly can't have a policy of pre-emption," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

Hagel: 'America's credibility is at stake'
U.S. officials may have misused what intelligence they did have, suggested Sen. Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee. He accused Cheney of making inaccurate statements about Iraq's weapons capabilities before the war.

Biden cited comments Cheney made before the war such as a March appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" in which the vice president said, "We believe Saddam has reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Biden said he had seen no such evidence.

"No intelligence person ever said that, that I'm aware of, and the vice president went ahead and blandly and boldly stated it," Biden said. "It was not accurate. So one of the things we have to look at is not just whether there was pressure but whether the information given the administration was properly used."

Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has been calling for a probe since last summer, when discrepancies emerged about Bush's 2003 State of the Union assertion that Iraq had tried to buy uranium in Africa.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R- Nebraska, of the Foreign Relations and Intelligence committees agreed that an investigation is needed.

"We need to open this up in a very nonpartisan, outside commission to see where we are," Hagel said. "I don't think there's any way around it. ... America's credibility is at stake."

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