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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/3/2004 1:55:54 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Top Saudi cleric smokes dope? February 3, 2004 By Mike Evans "Saudi Arabia's top cleric called on 2 million Muslims from around the world on Saturday to forsake terrorism, saying those who claim to be holy warriors are an affront to the faith." It appears that Bill Clinton is not the only one who didn't inhale. The liberal press was headlining this story as the Gospel truth all weekend. To think that Sheik Abdul Aziz al-Sheik and Saudi Arabia has seen the light is paramount to believing that Dracula only drinks diet Sprite or that Madonna is a chaste virgin. How dumb can you be and still breathe? Tragically, the following day – Sunday – nearly 250 Muslim Pilgrims died in a hajj stampede during the annual stoning-of-Satan ritual. During a peak event of the annual Muslim pilgrimage, or hajj, the stampede lasted about a half-hour. The devil-stoning is the most animated ritual of the annual pilgrimage and often the most dangerous. Many pilgrims frantically throw rocks, shout insults or hurl their shoes at the large pillars in the center. These acts are supposed to demonstrate their deep disdain for the devil. The stoning ritual also marked the first day of Eid al-Adha, or the Feast of the Sacrifice, celebrated at the hajj and around the Muslim world with the slaughtering of a camel, cow or sheep. After the sleepless night of prayer following the sermon, pilgrims gathered pebbles to throw at the pillars. Each threw seven times, chanting "bismillah" ("In the name of God") and "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Great") ... the same words used when a suicide bomber blows himself up! Egyptian pilgrim Youssef Omar calling America "the greatest Satan" threw pebbles at one pillar where someone scrawled "USA." Last year, 14 pilgrims were trampled to death during the ritual and 35 died in a 2001 stampede. In 1998, 180 pilgrims died. There is only one problem: Who is this Satan that they are venting their spleen at? Simply put, in their eyes, America is the "great Satan," and Israel is the "little Satan." If you doubt it, do your math. Fifteen of the 19 terrorists who attacked America were Saudis. Not to speak of the fact that almost half of all the money that funds terrorism presently is still coming out of Saudi Arabia. President Bush has been encouraging Saudis to crack down on financing terrorism via religious charities and curtail teaching of religious extremism. In his sermon, Al-Sheik criticized the international community, (America) for attacking Wahhabism, the sect that cuts heads off in public squares and stones unmarried women for getting pregnant. This was the same sect that Osama bin Laden, the Taliban and the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists were part of. Al-Sheik continued in his sermon, saying, "This country is based on this religion and will remain steadfast on it! Islam forbids all forms of injustice without just cause." Well, call me a taxi. That means that killing pigs and monkeys (the words they use to describe Jews) is a "just cause" as well as killing Christians who convert Muslims in Saudi Arabia. It's time for President Bush to declare war, but this time, a war on bigotry – the fuel that fed the fire on Sept. 11. worldnetdaily.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/3/2004 1:57:10 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 3959

However, it's his Democratic opponents who are being critical. Can't blame Bush for this. That's the standard in politics. All over the world in democracies it's pretty much the same. Better than the alternative, wouldn't you say?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/4/2004 6:38:49 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

chinu. Is this islam at it's best?....Maybe worst?....oh what the heck it's just islam...correct? Pedagogy of Hate Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook pmw.org.il If you want to know what's really at the heart of the Palestinian conflict with Israel, don't ask the politicians or the diplomats. Go to the new experts: Palestinian children. Unlike the rest of the world, they've been paying close attention to what their leaders and educators have been teaching them and they are ready to practice what they have been taught. PMW Director Itamar Marcus Testifies at US Senate Hearing - PMW Documentary Screened at the Hearing October 31, 2003 ......" The committee is Chaired by Sen. Arlen Specter. Sen Hillary Clinton, who is not a member of the committee, requested to participate after her meeting last week with Mr. Marcus, and seeing the documentation of the nature of PA indoctrination of their children. Her strong statement condemning PA education appears below. Due to the importance of the topic the entire hearing, including the video documentary, was broadcast on C-Span The following are the story in today's Jerusalem Post and the formal statement submitted by Mr. Marcus as a summary of his opening remarks. Jerusalem Post, Oct. 31, 2003. NEW YORK The anti-Semitic indoctrination of children by the Palestinian Authority must stop, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York told her colleagues Thursday. Addressing a Senate hearing on the education and indoctrination of Palestinian children, Clinton denounced recent broadcasts on the Palestinian Authority's state-controlled television station that feature ordinary children expressing their support for terrorism and declaring their desire to become martyrs as an "horrific abuse of children." "How can you think about building a better future, no matter what your political views, if you indoctrinate your children to a culture of death?" Clinton told reporters on a conference call after the hearing. "We should all agree that children should not be indoctrinated into hatred and violence and then indoctrinated into killing themselves." Clinton said that, during the hearing, she asked the PLO representative in Washington, Hassan Abdel Rahman, whether the PA plans to cease such broadcasts. "He evaded my question," she said. Rahman, she said, argued that the broadcasts were mistranslated and misinterpreted. "I kept pressing him on it and I will continue to do so," she said. The hearing was held under the auspices of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health, Human Services, and Education, chaired by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), and it featured a presentation by the director of Palestinian Media Watch, Itamar Marcus. Marcus's presentation included taped segments from PATV showing "the role that the Palestinian Authority television plays in perpetuating anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic attitudes," said Clinton. Clinton said she supports conditioning aid to the PA on a "cessation of propaganda and hateful rhetoric" in textbooks and the media, and that she has written to US President George W. Bush urging him to demand an end to official Palestinian anti-Semitism and the promotion of terrorism as a pre-condition to resuming Middle East peace talks. She said the goal of Thursday's hearing was to raise awareness of the problem among the public and her Senate colleagues. "We were focused not so much on the legalistic aspects of this as on the moral and ethical issue of how any society can condone this kind of behavior and permit young children to be interviewed on television about their desire to die. That is just beyond the pale," she said. Clinton said she also wanted to emphasize the PA's responsibility for promoting terrorism among its people. "It is clear that the Palestinian Authority, as we see on PATV, is complicit" in terrorist attacks, she said. "This is not Hamas [running the television station]. This is the Palestinian Authority." ...... Full Article >>>>> pmw.org.il

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/4/2004 6:51:43 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

chinu... The moron in this article first said this....." ...." "I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission," said Muhammad Mahdi Othman 'Akef "..... Then the moron said....." "The matter of America's attempt to take over the world is not new. "...... On the one hand the moron states islam will invade Europe and America then the moron accuses America of messing up their own plans for world domination. Even France is now scared to death over their mistake in not controlling radical islam years ago. 'Islam will invade Europe and America' Muslim leader declares faith in ultimate triumph, collapse of U.S. February 4, 2004 Responding to France's ban on the Islamic veil, the new head of the Muslim Brotherhood asserted Islam ultimately will triumph over the United States and Europe. "I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission," said Muhammad Mahdi Othman 'Akef, who recently took over the Egyptian-based movement after the death of leader Mamoun Al-Hudhaybi. In an interview with the website alwihdah.com, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, 'Akef said he is convinced "the Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out of conviction." "In 1993, I went to America and I published a book, 'Political Pluralism and the Woman,' that was distributed in the mosque," he said. "Thirty [American] women converted immediately to Islam as soon as they read it. These are people who become convinced of the right path – but who will guide them there?" Founded in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in Egypt since 1954, although it renounced violence in the 1970s. The movement, which has thousands of supporters and branches in other Arab nations, seeks to establish a strict Islamic state in Egypt. 'Akef said he was among the first to express opposition to statements by French President Jacques Chirac, who "described the hijab [veil] as offensive in nature." A bill presented to France's National Assembly yesterday by Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin bars Muslim headscarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses from public classrooms. 'Akef said he asked Chirac to understand the hijab is a "divine commandment." "I know that among the brothers in France, or the so-called Union of Islamic Organizations, there are smart people who can stand against this vile stream in the war on the hijab, represented by the stream of Turkey and Tunisia," he said. "With Allah's help, our brothers in France will be able to handle this matter however they see fit." In an interview with the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi, 'Akef called the U.S. a "Satan that abuses the region, lacking all morality and law." 'Akef criticized Washington's claims that the U.S. is acting to spread democracy in the Arab world. "These are [futile] words and false propaganda," he said. "It is not logical that the U.S. – which destroyed Afghanistan, supports Israel's daily ongoing aggression against the Palestinian people and occupies Iraq and steals its treasures – is acting to spread democracy in the Arab world." The Muslim leader said he expects the U.S. to collapse in the near future. He told the independent Egyptian weekly Nahdhat Misr, "The matter of America's attempt to take over the world is not new. What is new is that it appears with such a grim face, without morals, without principles, without law and without recognition of the need for the U.N. or the Security Council. 'Akef said he is certain that "without the betrayal in Iraq, the Iraqis would have tormented the Americans with all kinds of torments," and U.S. forces would have left. "I expect America to collapse soon," he said. "The elements of this collapse in America [already] exist, and Allah is the savior." worldnetdaily.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/5/2004 7:27:19 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Egyptian Government Daily: Suicide Bombings are Legitimate Even if Children Are Killed February 6, 2004 No.658 memri.org An editorial in the Egyptian government daily Al-Masaa praised suicide/martyrdom operations, and called on Palestinian organizations to not publish the names of the bombers so that their families' houses would not be demolished. The article focuses primarily on female suicide bombers, following the debate in the Arab media over Hamas's dispatching of Reem Al-Riyashi, a mother of two, to carry out the January 14, 2004 bombing in Gaza. The following is the translation of the editorial : [1] "We ask again, why do the various Palestinian organizations insist on publishing the name of everyone who carries out a martyrdom operation against the Zionist entity? "We have no argument regarding the question of the legitimacy of these operations, because they are considered a powerful weapon used by the Palestinians against an enemy with no morality or religion, [an enemy] who has deadly weapons prohibited by international law, that is not deterred from using them against the defenseless Palestinian people. "Even if during [a martyrdom operation] civilians or children are killed – the blame does not fall upon the Palestinians, but on those who forced them to turn to this modus operandi. "Ultimately, we should bless every Palestinian man or woman who goes calmly to carry out a martyrdom operation, in order to receive a reward in the Hereafter, sacrificing her life for her religion and her homeland and knowing that she will never return from this operation. "But at the same time, we wonder about the reason for publishing the names of those who carry out the [martyrdom] operations; [this publishing] is a valuable gift that the Palestinian resistance gives the Zionist entity, since as soon as it receives this gift, the armies of the [Zionist] entity hasten to the home of the martyr's family, wounded by the loss of its son, in order to multiply its pain by destroying its home. Moreover, the home of the martyr's family is always destroyed negligently, causing serious damage to or the collapse of the neighbor's home. "We ask the leaders of these organizations: Give us one good reason for publishing the names of the martyrs whom, it can be assumed, martyred themselves for the religion, the homeland, and the people, and not for any other reason. The Lebanese resistance published [the names of] those who took this path during the years of the Zionist occupation [in Lebanon] without any logical justification. We were surprised that the Palestinian resistance is employing the same method, also without any justification. "This is even though the situation is different, as the Shahids in the case of Lebanon, such as Sanaa Muheidali and other women, lived in territories not under the control of the Zionist occupation, while in the Palestinian case, [they live under Zionist occupation]."

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3686)	2/7/2004 6:02:37 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

The second American civil war: what it's about Dennis Prager October 14, 2003 Whatever your politics, you have to be oblivious to reality to deny that America today is torn by ideological divisions as deep as those of the Civil War era. We are, in fact, in the midst of the Second American Civil War. Of course, one obvious difference between the two is that this Second Civil War is (thus far) non-violent. On the other hand, there is probably more hatred between the opposing sides today than there was during the First Civil War. And I am not talking about extremists. A senior editor of the respected center-left New Republic just wrote an article titled, "The Case for Bush Hatred," an article that could have been written by writers at most major American newspapers, by most Hollywood celebrities, and almost anyone else left of center. And the conservative hatred of former President Bill Clinton was equally deep. In general, however, the similarities are greater than the differences. Once again the North and the South are at odds (though many individuals on each side identify with the other). And once again, the fate of the nation hangs in the balance. The two sides' values and visions of America are as incompatible as they were in the 1860s. For those Americans who do not know what side they are on or who are not certain about what the Second American Civil War is being fought over, I offer a list of the most important areas of conflict. While the views of many, probably even most, Americans do not fall entirely on either side, the two competing camps are quite distinguishable. On one side are those on the Left -- liberals, leftists and Greens -- who tend to agree with one another on almost all major issues. On the other side are those on the Right -- conservatives, rightists and libertarians -- who agree on stopping the Left, but differ with one another more often than those on the Left do. Here, then, is Part One of the list of the major differences that are tearing America apart: The Left believes in removing America's Judeo-Christian identity, e.g., removing "under God" from the Pledge, "In God we trust" from the currency, the oath to God and country from the Boy Scouts Pledge, etc. The Right believes that destroying these symbols and this identity is tantamount to destroying America. The Left regards America as morally inferior to many European societies with their abolition of the death penalty, cradle-to-grave welfare and religion-free life; and it does not believe that there are distinctive American values worth preserving. The Right regards America as the last best hope for humanity and believes that there are distinctive American values -- the unique combination of a religious (Judeo-Christian) society, a secular government, personal liberty and capitalism -- worth fighting and dying for. The Left believes that impersonal companies, multinational and otherwise, with their insatiable drive for profits, have a profoundly destructive effect on the country. The Right believes that the legal system, particularly trial lawyers, lawsuits and judges who make laws, is the greater threat to American society. The Left believes multiculturalism should be the ideal for American schools and for government policy. The Right believes that the Americanization of all its citizens is indispensable to the survival of the United States. The Left believes that the Boy Scouts as currently constituted pose a moral threat to society. The Right believes the Boy Scouts continue to be one of the greatest moral institutions in the country. The Left believes in equality more than in liberty. The Right believes more in liberty. For example, the Left believes that for the equality's sake, men's clubs must accept women. The Right believes that for liberty's sake, associations must be free to choose their own members. The Left believes that when schools give out condoms to teenagers, they are promoting safe sex. The Right believes that when schools give out condoms, they are promoting more sex. The Left believes that poverty, racism and psychopathology cause violent crime. The Right believes a lack of self-control, lack of religious practice and lack of good values are the primary causes of violent crime. The Left believes that "war is not the answer." The Right believes that war is often the only answer to governmental evil. Any one of these differences is enough to create an entirely different America. Added together, the differences suggest people who live in different worlds that are on a collision course. And I have only listed some of the conflicting views. Next week, in Part Two, I will discuss the other major conflicts making for the Second American Civil War. ©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc. townhall.com