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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (124279)	2/3/2004 1:43:20 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<<Straw man. Lifting sanctions was not the alternative to our war of aggression. Sanctions and inspections were working, and could have been continued indefinitely.>>> Depends upon your interpretation of the word "working". And one would have to hope it did not continue. <<<Iraq claims about 1.4 million people have died from shortages caused by the sanctions.>>> Apparently no shortage of lead tho, as indicated by the state of the victims found in the mass graves. And also, forget the Inspections........... <<<< Iraq's Christian minority celebrated a subdued Christmas after last week's air raids, Iraqi officials reiterated their vow to forbid U.N. weapons inspectors from returning to the country.>>> cnn.com Sig

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (124279)	2/3/2004 4:36:38 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Every time this "humanitarian imperialist" excuse gets trotted out, I recall that photo from the 1980s, of a smiling Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam.>> Yep, you guys love to mention that photo. For 10 years I was in a land partnership with a fairly nice guy. He got divorced and changed entirely. Got into theft, arson and drug dealing. That put my equity in the property at risk so I got a lawyer and sold my share to him at a fair price.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (124279)	2/3/2004 8:10:23 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 281500

Debating the ethics of war, is sort of like debating the ethics of rape. If a man rapes a woman, after saving her from being raped by two men, is he a humanitarian? If, after he rapes her, he marries her, and makes sure she has clean water to drink, and helps paint the schools her kids go to, does that make it all OK? Normal kill? What would Jesus do? He didn't save her from rape by raping her. Your scenario is not an example of causing some bad to happen in order to prevent something worse but rather of saving someone from something worse and then gratuitously doing something bad to them. Also what Saddam did to Iraq and its neighbors is vastly worse then the damage caused by our invasion. Its not like the difference between being attacked by one rapist or two. Tim