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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (2542)	2/4/2004 12:08:50 AM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

I believe the ramifications of Lucifer being created to destroy, if true , are very deep. Clearly there was a time when Lucifer was perfect, and without sin. There is an old Jewish proof of the existence in a physical body should someone end up in heaven or hell. To be either rewarded in soul and body or to be punished in soul and body. The story is of a blind man and a cripple man who wanted to rob a house. Since neither could do it by themselves the blind man carried the cripple man in the house and the cripple man became the blind man's eyes so the blind man could take what he would. In the court of law both were found guilty since they conspired together even though neither could have done the crime by themselves. So it is with the body and the soul. Just as the soul cannot sin without the body to actually perform the sin, so can not the body sin by itself without the direction of the soul. If you then punished only the soul or only the body without the soul it would be akin to only punishing either the blind man alone or the cripple man alone. Justice would not be served. If you would follow this argument then this really makes for a difficult explanation of how one could for example sin in thought only: such as when Jesus decried a man who would call his brother racca or fool and be in danger of the judgement or look upon a woman with lust in his heart and be in danger of the judgement being just as guilty as though he has committed adultery. I do see a difference here because in one case the man spoke and called his brother a fool without cause and in the other the man looked upon a maiden using his body part or his eye to actually look. I guess that this is why Jesus said to pluck out your eye if it offends you rather than burn in hell or to cut off your arm. Clearly he was showing that it took the cooperation of the body to sin. In looking at satan's original evil or creation then ...my conclusion is that my theory would be correct in that satan while created that way ...would still have been perfect until he actually spoke against God or in some other way actually used his body to reinforce what his soul was already conspiring to do. The two illustrations that Jesus used actually required some activity, in the one case actually looking and in the other the actual calling or speaking of the sin.