To: TimF who wrote (2594 ) 2/3/2004 6:52:57 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7936 Your the one playing a game. You make statements that flat out are not true. Then people call you on it and you accuse them of playing games with semantics. In a discussion between reasonable people, it is understood when someone says scores of people died, that they usually mean a number of people on average .......the original definition of score provided by Hodgkin is archaic and hardly is ever used. Of course, that's between reasonable people. Previously, you have been accused of nitpicking by others so I am not surprised you have jumped on Hodgkin's bandwagon. And, of course, nitpicking manages to cloud the real issue which is that over 10k Iraqis were killed with Shock and Awe. But obfuscation is a tactic used by this administration so why should I be surprised when its policy supporters play the same game.Is this an intentional strategy? No, I have the facts on my side.....so I don't have to play games.2 - Every effort was made to spare Iraqi civilian lives, that makes the situation a lot different then when the Palestinians deliberately try to murder civilians. Like I said to Hodgkin, do you think that sentiment makes a difference to the dead or their families?3 - The number that would have been killed by the continuation of Saddam's rule and by the negative effects of sanctions is probably higher then the number killed by "Shock and Awe". I doubt it. At least 10k were killed in a few months. Read the reports, in the years before the second war, Saddam had reduced his killing of people. The major killings with the mass graves were done right after the Gulf War when the Kurds and Shiites rose up in revolt......and we didn't come to their rescue as promised. ted