To: grampa who wrote (263 ) 2/4/2004 7:50:03 AM From: Crocodile Respond to of 325 Well, yep, boat traffic might be bad now -- if not motorized boats, then even a lot of canoes and kayaks. That's what I did notice at quite a few lakes that I stopped to look at when passing through the area. I get the impression that it's not that easy to find solitude on the lakes down there anymore -- and, in fact, I've done a bit of looking around and haven't found too many secluded spots in NY -- seemed to be more in Maine and NH though. I belong to a canoe newsgroup forum and a lot of the international members come here to go on paddling-camping trips. Funny too -- last time I paddled the Barron River in Algonquin Park, I met groups of German and Chinese paddlers at the portages. Kind of had to laugh as the Chinese paddlers all had a lot of bear bells on them and their packs. I could hear them from about a half a mile off! Definitely would have scared off any bears or other wildlife that might be in the area. (o: Sounds like you must have pretty fine memories of the trip in the 1950s if you still remember the names of the lakes. I had a look at my NY map and I see those lakes. There's a highway that goes along by them I guess -- but they're in the Adirondack Park, so may still retain some of the character that you remember from your trip. Our main canoe routes up in Algonquin Park, etc... do tend to see quite heavy paddling traffic during summer, but if you go in spring or autumn, especially on weekdays, you can often have places almost to yourself. Also, if you pick places where there's a bit of a portage to get to the first lake, or where there are longer portages between lakes, that does tend to discourage plenty of people. My own strategy is to look for Crown Lands with a lot of wetlands and marshes and beaver dams where there will be liftovers. Those kinds of places scare off the less intrepid paddlers and I often have them entirely to myself. Those are also the places where I'm most likely to run into things like big nest colonies of Great Blue Heron, or Osprey nesting on huge tree snags in flooded forests, Muskrat lodges made of cattail and sedge roots packed with mud, dozens of wonderful Dragon and Damselflies, etc.. I like to just float around in those places and watch life happening.