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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (124338)	2/4/2004 12:04:11 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

re: EU as model for World Government: <But they can't even manage to agree on a constitution...> True. Many times, on many issues, they talk and talk, and can't come to agreement. In the Bad Old Days, the next step would likely be war, if it was an issue of crucial interest to some nation. Now, the next step is, they keep talking. Endless talking is better than endless killing. <you want the UN to come together like the EU?> Actually, I'm ambivalent about the UN. As it exists now, it is mainly a: 1. all-inclusive talking-club (= General Assembly) 2. rubber-stamp for U.S. military adventures (= Security Council, when they agree with us) 3. irrelevant and inactive (= Security Council when they don't agree with us) In order to function as a World Government, it would have to: 1. expel all nations that are violating the UN Charter. 2. reform the Security Council, so it reflects current realities (Permanent Seats for India and Japan, maybe giving a seat to a Latin American and/or Muslim nation, taking away one of the European seats) 3. have a dedicated military force, that answers to the Security Council (a few of our mothballed Tridents?) 4. have administrative control in the hands of those who pay the bills It might be easier to set up a new organization, than to try and make the above changes in the UN.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (124338)	2/4/2004 9:23:46 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<It would be nice to think that Billions of people could come together into one big, happy, international family... But the odds are greatly against it. > Hawk, I'd say that process has been continuing to develop for a century. The political processes will follow the sociological. Compare Europe now with 100 years ago pre WWI. Asia is pretty stable though N Korea is rattling their sabre in its scabbard and China rants and raves about Taiwanese not being subservient to the megalomaniacs in Beijing. Think of the globalisation effects which have already happened. Think of the human migrations and global communications and corporate integration. Look at the shift from kingdoms, dictatorships and seeking of empire [Germany, Japan, dissolution of the British Empire, USSR] to democratic processes and state stability. There were 1 billion warring people living lives of rural penury. Now there are 6 billion living fairly harmoniously and with a cornucopia of goods and services [just count the cellphones in China as one example]. Mqurice