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To: GraceZ who wrote (16649)	2/4/2004 9:33:22 AM
From: fatty	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

You're simplifying things. If outsourcing was fashionable that the time I did the project, some Chindian could have done it for half the price. Alternatively, the client could have kept the manual process but replaced the team of 5 with Chindians for 10% of the cost. Of course, better marketing skills can always bring in more money, but such marketing is just another form of cheating, it has nothing to do with the job being performed.

To: GraceZ who wrote (16649)	2/4/2004 4:18:27 PM
From: David Jones	Respond to of 306849

>how does one turn a job that usually pays 15/hour into a biz that pays 150k a year.< Increase the distance of earth from the sun and work 10k hours per orbit?

To: GraceZ who wrote (16649)	2/5/2004 5:41:03 AM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

What the out of work IT guys need to figure out is, how does one turn a job that usually pays 15/hour into a biz that pays 150k a year. Either that or figure out how to live well on $31,200. this seems like a good strategy for an individual, but what's possible for certain individuals is not possible for society at large. any more than it's possible for us all to be Michael Dells, or for everybody to get rich on a pyramid scheme. when you look at the workforce in the aggregate (as opposed to looking at your son or daughter or nephew or whatever and the advice you might give to them), there is going to be a certain number of entrepreneurs and a certain (much larger) number of worker bees. the "rise of the middle class" over the past century largely involved the development of well-paid work opportunities for worker bees. the problem we have now is that large numbers of worker bee tasks in the heretofore unassailable white-collar service sector can be sent to India or wherever. of course, there will always be opportunities for entrepreneurs to make a lot of money, but that's neither here nor there for society as a whole. what we need are solid opportunities for the regular workers. absent those jobs, the whole basis for our economy (and the mercantilist Asian capital formation built to serve us) sort of slowly falls apart. i guess the Asians are hoping that they will develop the ability to all have trade surpluses against each other (a logical impossibility) whenever America can't pull the weight, but i have my doubts about this theory.