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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (45602)	2/4/2004 1:17:17 PM
From: brian h	Respond to of 74559

""""I am impressed with the advances the Chinese are making in this area.""" It can not be true if it sounded too good to be true. :-) I can not believe it either even I (Taiwanese-Chinese) can not do it. :-( There must be some smart Chinese Kung-Fu people who can do it as well as fly in the sky as you see in Hidden Dragon, Couching Tiger movie. :-)

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (45602)	2/4/2004 2:08:12 PM
From: RealMuLan	Respond to of 74559

>>If the Chinese have only 5 symbols to form a character (as per Yiwu), there are only 3125 combinations. Also how does their dictionary work (maybe that requires another thread to discuss that).<< A regular concise Chinese dictionary only contains 3,500 words or so. And among these 3,500 words, only 2000 or so are used often. A foreigner only needs to learn 1,200 or so Chinese words in order to deal with everyday life (it is how to use each word that counts). While for English, one needs to know 2,500-3,000 or so words, and in French, one needs to know 5,000-6,000 words just to deal with everyday life. So you tell me which one is more scientific? And wonder why French is not popular? because it is less efficient! An unabridged version of Chinese dictionary (published first time in KangXi Era around late 17th century) contains around 600,000 words. So over the last couple of hundreds of years, Chinese language does have a lot of changes already, especially with the Mainland using simple characters after 1949, it is much easier for Chinese to learn how to write. The way Chinese dictionary works, the indexing is separated into two parts, by Pinyin (Roman letter) or by number of strokes. Although there are only 5 basic strokes in Chinese, but there are multiple combinations by using these 5 basic strokes to make new types strokes. Here is a picture for 5 basis strokes: hanwj.com You can see only the upper left one is 5 basic strokes, the extra strokes in other 3 pictures can combined by using those 5. And BTW, PinYin input of Chinese is the least efficient/slowest way to input Chinese, but the easiest, because no rules, everyone can do it. Most of Chinese here in the US are using it. Since input Chinese into computer does not have a very long history, so there are still all kinds of new ways of input created everyday. Right now, by my incomplete count, at least there 4-5 dozens of dif. Ways of input Chinese. And some of them are specially created for certain dialect because a lot of Chinese use their own dialectic, and do not pronounce Chinese in standard HanYuPinYin.