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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176826)	2/4/2004 5:10:30 PM
From: BWAC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<Why are there so few American kids going for science and eng. PhDs????> 1.)No Child left behind, All must be drug down towards the level of the lowest? 2.)For every Child not left behind, 3 more are bored to death and frustrated out of interest in exceptional learning. 3.)Science and Engineering don't teach real well, when the stated goal is to merely pass a multiple guess standardized competency and funding test?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176826)	2/4/2004 6:13:45 PM
From: Saturn V	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

I never implied that Asians or Japanese are not capable of creativity. I merely stated that due to the cultural pressure to conform, and fear of loss of face, creativity is discouraged. However when placed in an American environment, these pressures recede, and the potential of their creativity is unleashed. Silicon Valley is teeming with Asian Engineers, and is the bubbling hot pot of creativity. I also noted earlier that the Japanese can be very creative in situatons where they have to take several small steps and do not have to stick out their necks. For the Japanese the pressure to conform begins in kindergarten, where getting along with others is stressed very highly. This creates a problem for Japanese expatriates executives . They find that their children after having being schooled in foreign schools for a few years, do not fit back with other Japanese children because they are now "different", more individualistic, and "do not get along with other children". The returning Japanese children are intially shunned because they are different, and it is a painful reentry crisis for little children.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176826)	2/4/2004 10:28:30 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

re: The top 10 U.S. corporate patient recipients in 2003 were and yet Einstein did not have a single patent to his name btw I agree with you that Japanese and Chinese are very bright but I think that was not the point - if I interpret it correctly the statement was rather made about goals of individuals and that is very much affected by their upbringing. 2nd or 3rd generation Japanese brought up in US would likely to have the same attitude toward education as the rest of the Americans.