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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176846)	2/4/2004 10:14:55 PM
From: Saturn V	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ref Bachelor's degreed types, incidentally, work as techicians..... , I have heard tales like yours about Bell Labs, and maybe IBM. But it is definitely not true of semiconductor industry in Silicon Valley and the West. The semiconductor industry is heavily populated by MS degrees, but BS degree holders do pretty well too. Several companies like Intel provide a lot of in house training to sharpen the skills of all employees [ Intel University !!]. So most of the smart BS holders, are able to catch up with their peers with better formal education.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176846)	2/4/2004 10:15:03 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

re: software really doesn't require a PhD not all software are created equal <gggggg> re: Correct me, but is it possible to get a PhD in any software discipline? well, what exactly do you mean by software discipline? I'd say that I am in software development too but my job requirements do not require me to know any programming language nor even how to turn computer power on <gggg> re: It is possible to achieve in business without a higher level degree but the odds are greatly improved if you have one well, kid, we'll talk again few years after you get your PhD <gggggg> BTW what is your math and science load? Just curious.....

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176846)	2/4/2004 11:09:23 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

well, all I can say to that is that most of my recent startup companies had PhDs from MIT working in engineering... these were software companies. You are correct though, in that advanced degrees aren't really relevant in terms of applicable talent in most software disciplines (unless somebody did a thesis in a particular area that is specific to your company). The only question in my mind, knowing what I know about PhDs in a software environment, is why are advanced degrees such a big deal to these CEOs of american companies, who are primarily investing in software? They act like the dearth of US born and educated advanced-degreed engineers is a big deal, while in practice many of these same companies don't even want PhDs because they are unwilling to pay a premium for them (given that the work in software is not much different for advanced degrees).

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (176846)	2/5/2004 2:05:01 PM
From: Saturn V	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Correct me, but is it possible to get a PhD in any software discipline?? Of course there are a lot of Phd's in Software. Image Processing, and Cryptology are fields which definitely need an advanced degrees. Operating System Developers have advanced degrees too. Several years ago when UC Berkeley was at the forefront of UNIX development, the joke was that you could count the number of Software Phds awarded by counting the number of features in Berkeley Unix. I believe that the MOSAIC( the first Internet Browser), which was the inflexion point of the Internet age, grew out of a University Phd project.