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To: abstract who wrote (60714)	2/6/2004 8:25:16 AM
From: Cactus Jack	Respond to of 65232

abstract, Facts are important. And in America, appearances frequently are more important than the facts. You just identified that which disgusts me about politics and politicians. Appearance over fact, form over substance. That's no way to run a country (and I'm not suggesting that you're saying otherwise). jpg

To: abstract who wrote (60714)	2/6/2004 8:58:14 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

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To: abstract who wrote (60714)	2/7/2004 3:24:47 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

"That is what APPEARED to happen." "We will see, but this is not about the facts. This is about APPEARANCES." "Facts are important. And in America, appearances frequently are more important than the facts." Thanks for your honesty. You are confirming a form of atrocious behavior I have adamantly taken a stand against most of my life. I have frequently stated the following when debating others who have insisted on, deceit, distortion & lies to support their faulty POV's.... <font size=4>Perception is reality..... regardless of the facts. If appearance is more important to you than facts, then we really have nothing worthwhile to debate. Why do you think this atrocious behavior is becoming more commonplace? Because their is a growing audience ready to accept such behavior & a shrinking audience that will speak out against it.<font size=3> My heated debates in the past with folks like bonnuss_in_austin are a perfect example why. They had no need for facts or reality. They had an agenda to accomplish & in their mind, the end justified the means. All they were interested in was creating a perception via lies & intentional deceit. Once their perception took hold, a false reality was created that some folks firmly believed in. Agenda accomplished. Who cares if it was all based on lies & deceit lies? Perhaps you have no problem with liberal politicians & liberal media repeatedly lying, distorting, intentionally deceiving & selectively reporting to create the appearance of a reality that never existed. That's a slippery slope I want no part of. I have little respect for those who are willing to cling to an ideology by simply accepting the perception of an alternate reality over one that is supported by facts. Always have. Always will.

To: abstract who wrote (60714)	2/7/2004 4:11:10 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 65232

Even terrorists see the advantages of unethical & immoral behavior..... A new effective anti-Zionist-entity tactic is being proposed by the Egyptian official government daily newspaper Al-Masaa. It falls under the heading assymmetrical warfare, specifically, <font size=4>taking advantage of your enemy's stupid sentimental attachment to ethics. The Genious Ideology of Asymmetrical Warfare <font size=3> A new effective anti-Zionist-entity tactic is being proposed by the Egyptian official government daily newspaper Al-Masaa. It falls under the heading assymmetrical warfare, specifically, taking advantage of your enemy's stupid sentimental attachment to ethics. As translated by MEMRI: <font size=4> Even if during [a martyrdom operation] civilians or children are killed -- the blame does not fall upon the Palestinians, but on those who forced them to turn to this modus operandi.<font size=3> Ultimately, we should bless every Palestinian man or woman who goes calmly to carry out a martyrdom operation, in order to receive a reward in the Hereafter, sacrificing her life for her religion and her homeland and knowing that she will never return from this operation. <font size=4> But at the same time, we wonder about the [Arab media's] reason for publishing the names of those who carry out the [martyrdom] operations; [this publishing] is a valuable gift that the Palestinian resistance gives the Zionist entity, since as soon as it receives this gift, the armies of the [Zionist] entity hasten to the home of the martyr's family, wounded by the loss of its son, in order to multiply its pain by destroying its home. Moreover, the home of the martyr's family is always destroyed negligently, causing serious damage to or the collapse of the neighbor's home. Lemme see if I get this right. Since the Israelis punish suicide bombers by destroying the family home (after due notice to clear the premises) the best way to handle things is to simply not publish the name of the suicide bomber so the Israelis will then, uh, maybe, do what Saddam Hussein or the Syrians do and perhaps (after due notice) level the entire town? (Oh wait -- I forgot, the Syrians and Saddam Hussein never gave due notice for all those inhabitants to get out. Oh well...)