To: quidditch who wrote (10342 ) 2/8/2004 5:55:00 PM From: scaram(o)uche Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52153 Science guys will often rebel at this sort (we're now away from talking about any given company, as, while I'm hesitant to endorse APHT, I certainly don't have enough data to lump them with known cheaters) of crap. However, many of these companies are "virtual", and don't have scientists. Check out BLSI (Greenwich) for an interesting history. And then there are the companies with scientist-founders who didn't have the moral fortitude to make it honestly, and became CEOs and/or CSOs. I was once Director of Immunology at a well-known biotech, and was horrified at what I found upon landing. The founder is a guy who just does not "get" biology, IMO. He therefore IMO hired those who could grasp about as much as he did. Add that he would stand up and (bold face) lie, in public presentations, to those with the check books? The place was an ugly joke. It was very good experience (as grossly opposed to "a" very good experience) to land at a place like that. Eye opener. REGN? The bench grunts are excellent. To what degree Yancopoulos (and those who report to him) knew about the antibody issue, early? Miljenko is a better consult. I exited REGN ages ago, when they put the "trap" program into hibernation and focused on angiogenesis BASIC FRIGGING RESEARCH !!!!!!!!!! I never went back. The antibody issue sounded so outrageous when it *was* disclosed that it's difficult to believe that it wasn't a well-known dark secret, even among all of the scientific staff. It was a very low blow, IMO. I felt betrayed, and I wasn't even a shareholder. But, again, Miljenko would be a better judge.