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To: upanddown who wrote (941)	2/8/2004 5:25:48 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

John are you debating? PS Most demonrats went to gov. schools, a dumbing down institution.

To: upanddown who wrote (941)	2/8/2004 5:33:07 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

In the Sunday Meet the Press Interview, Tim Russet asked Bush [paraphrased] "Is the war in Iraq a war of choice or a war of necessity?" Bush pauses, somewhat quasi-dumbfounded, and begging time for his reply, he says, "Can you elaborate on that?" The question is repeated. Bush says, "Oh, necessary," in a weak air of confidence, thinking that he got the multiple choice question correct. Bush couldn't even give an immediate answer to this question! Is this a giveaway? I mean what can be more obvious? That a president of the United States would ask for elaboration to such a question? Just consider what America's Gold Star Mothers will think about his response to this answer!!! This exchange should become a soundbite heard far and wide!

To: upanddown who wrote (941)	2/8/2004 6:24:49 PM
From: Rascal	Respond to of 173976

They are not dim bulbs at all. But they are dirty trickers who hide behind double speak broadcast as an interview. I was struck by the calmness. This is wrapped up already. Track anything they ever leaked, or anything that looked negative. There is no National Discussion about these traumatic issues. They still focus on whether Janet is going to the Grammys. God forbid a story about Pakistan selling the Nukes to the Bad Guys gets out. People would get confused between who has or had the Nukes. Libya, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan. Apparently sanctions worked in Iraq and Libya. But for Saddam we choose Invasion and Occupation. They are not dim bulbs, they are the strategists not the guys on the line who have to do it. They still think they are correct and the Military implemented poorly. They are always ahead of the curve. They say what they mean and then they do it. We should not be surprised. I was surprised by the Democrats who voted for his budget and Medicare and the Resolution. Rascal @ICalledWatergateFirst.com I

To: upanddown who wrote (941)	2/8/2004 7:07:40 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Respond to of 173976

JT, Not so dim as you. Remember, people join the army for many reasons, not the least of which is an urge to combat. Since only a fraction of a % of troops are lost to enemy action in this war(less than those lost to accidents, of all kiinds) most soldiers accept this risk and are willing to live and die by that choice. If you doubt me, look here: marinecorpstimes.com airforcetimes.com You will find some places there where soldiers look for pen pals and e-mail pals. I suggest you take the time and trouble to make a few contacts with the troops and see how they feel. Remember, those people who join the armed services are quite aware of the risks and take as many precautions as they can to keep their lives. Their generals also value their men highly and try to preserve their lives. That was a typo, taxs whould have been Texas. Indeed, oil wells are of many types. Some are pools floating on salt water. Some are loose sand and gravel wet with oil. Some are tarrier than others. Modern methods now include sending down solvents in the form of supercritical CO2 to wash the oil from the sand. Some methods use steam for the same effect, sometimes other solvents are used. Every oil deposit is unique and the final stripping methods vary. SHallow oil weels in PA can be dug up and the oil sand washed and returned. They dig up the tarry sand in Canada, and then wash them with solvent and water and remove the oil and place the cleaned sand back in the hole. It all depends on how deep it is. WHen it is deep, you must dig very deeply to get at it. This is costly. So deep places tend to use solvent/steam extraction. Shallow places they use mining out the sand. In addition, the world has so much tar sand and shale that thr price of iol will stay below $100 for decades. Generally speaking a lot depends on inflation. I remember when a coke costs 3 cents and had a 2 cent deposit on the bottle. Now it is a buck. Back then gas was 12 cents a gallon. Now it is $2.00 or so, about the same as it was. The tar share and oil sand are immense and easily dwarf the Arabian and Irqui reserves. Bill

To: upanddown who wrote (941)	2/14/2004 8:55:04 AM
From: PartyTime	Respond to of 173976

Anyone think the CIA is now scouting around in Iraq, looking for a new strongman to take over the new government in order to govern with hardliner control (like Saddam did?)? Elections won't work to US advantage as the Shiite leader Sistani will become president, set up a religious-styled government that'll be detrimental to women and, ultimately give the boot to the US--bye-bye oil deals! More and more it's looking like my old idea of partition (expressed on the Bush thread) of two nations (one completely Shiite in the South and one a combo of Kurd, Sunni and Shiite in the North) seems like a good one. The combo nation at least would have a shot at democracy. An agreement to share oil from the North in exchange for access to the Southern Gulf port could keep the two nations aligned in trade. If something like that above isn't done, we're just gonna have more of the below: abcnews.go.com