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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3127)	2/12/2004 1:43:52 PM
From: k.ramesh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3127)	2/18/2004 8:44:47 AM
From: k.ramesh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Read Amory Lovins Natural Capitalism excerpts for free. People on this thread are already aware of the issues in this book, but it is a good review anyway. natcap.org I read the chapters on Food, Waste and Hyper cars. And from cars --- The contemporary automobile, after a century of engineering, is embarrassingly inefficient: Of the energy in the fuel it consumes, at least 80 percent is lost, mainly in the engine's heat and exhaust, so that at most only 20 percent is actually used to turn the wheels. Of the resulting force, 95 percent moves the car, while only 5 percent moves the driver, in proportion to their respective weights. Five percent of 20 per-cent is one percent—not a gratifying result from American cars that burn their own weight in gasoline every year.