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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/9/2004 7:45:29 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 3959

So are you saying laura bush has been banned from your threads? Message 19775265 Is that a Yes or a No?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/9/2004 7:49:31 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Message 19787557 Chinu? I'm not going away.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/9/2004 7:53:57 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Chinu. You said...." Lazarus, if you for any reason, abuse and attack anyone on a personal level, use words like moron etc. etc. you will be banned from the threads that I moderate."..... Gus called me a freak and really hurt my little feelings. LOL --------------------------------- LOL... What are you babbling about, you freak?!? Time for you to update your "Buckingham files": Message 19784840 But don't ban him cuz his outrageous posts do more to support us good guys than anyone else on SI. :o)

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/10/2004 6:55:59 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Chinu. Is it becoming any clearer to you yet that this so called war IS against islam? That no matter how much Prez Bush and others praise islam it will not change this fact. Have you noticed that when Pakistan refers to the bomb they say the nuclear bomb of the islam world and NOT the bomb of Pakistan. IMO if you can't see the big picture yet even with all the evidence we see around us it should soon become very clear soon. It seems islam opposes anything good. Nice picture of Mariah here. She just wont look right in a burka. :-) Mariah Carey meets Islam Concerts in Lebanon, Malaysia stir opposition February 10, 2004 Even before Janet Jackson's top got undone before 140 million Super Bowl viewers, Islamic leaders were protesting upcoming scheduled appearances of one of Jackson's pop contemporaries in Lebanon and Malaysia later this month. Malaysia's Muslim opposition party is calling for the cancellation of a Feb. 22 concert by Mariah Carey in Kuala Lumpur. Two days later, Carey performs her first concert in the Arab world when she appears in Beirut, Lebanon. "Everyone knows Mariah Carey presents herself in a sexy, unacceptable and almost vulgar manner," said Ahmad Sabki Yusof, a leader of the fundamentalist Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party's youth wing. "She is not an appropriate role model for young Malaysians." To make matters worse, say the Islamists, Carey's performance is scheduled for the start of the new year in the Muslim calendar – a religious holiday in Malaysia. "Allowing such concerts promotes and condones values that are totally contrary to our way of life and out culture," said Sabki. "We don't want immoral values for our children, whether Muslim or not." The government's position is to welcome Carey, but to advise her and other pop performers to "dress accordingly." Carey has reportedly agreed to dress modestly for her concerts in the Muslim world. While American pop music is popular in Malaysia, some performers have been banned in the past. Janet Jackson's brother Michael, for instance, was prohibited from appearing in Selangor state in 1996, but a concert did take place in Kuala Lumpur. The most recent Western rock concert in Malaysia was by Linkin Park last year. The band was required not to scream too much or bare their chests during the concert. Sabki's group sent a formal letter to Tourism Minister Abdul Kadir Sheikh Fadzir protesting Carey's appearance. "To allow a western artist, especially Mariah Carey, who is well-know for her sexy clothing, to perform on Awal Muharram is disrespecting the sensitivities of Mulsims and can be seen as challening the status of Islam as Malaysia's official religion," said the letter. "We cannot accept such an immoral concert to be held on Awam Muharram or on any other days. ... It is not only an insult to Muslims but will encourage moral degradation especially among youths." Besides the Kuala Lumpur and Beirut appearances, Carey is scheduled for concerts in Jakarta, Indonesia, Dubai and is working out details for one in Brunei. The Asian tour, which will also take her to China, is part of efforts to promote her latest album Charmbracelet. Malaysia is a Southeast Asian nation with about 25 million people – 60 percent of whom practice Islam.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/10/2004 6:52:53 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Last three defendants in Oregon terror group are sentenced to prison Monday, February 9, 2004 RUKMINI CALLIMACHI, Associated Press Writer (02-09) 17:13 PST PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- sfgate.com The final three members of a group of Muslim men from the Portland area who tried to enter Afghanistan to join the Taliban were each sentenced to prison time Monday. They were among six men and one woman accused of conspiring to wage war on the United States. Palestinian-born Maher Hawash, 39, was sentenced Monday to seven years in prison. Ahmed Bilal, 25, was sentenced to 10 years and his brother, Muhammad, 23, was sent to prison for eight years. All were given reduced terms because they cooperated with authorities. "I do not blame anybody else except myself," Hawash said in court. "It's something I have done that was completely out of my character." Hawash, a former Intel software engineer, was the last of the group to be arrested. The Bilal brothers, among the original group of those arrested in October 2002, had pleaded guilty to charges of conspiring to help al-Qaida and the Taliban and to firearms charges. Two other men who were allied with the Bilal brothers and Hawash have already been sentenced to 18 years in prison. The federal government has said the sixth man, alleged ringleader Habis Abdulla al Saoub, 37, was killed in a shootout in Pakistan. The lone woman in the group, October Lewis, was sentenced to three years in prison after she pleaded guilty to wiring money to the group to assist their efforts.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3729)	2/10/2004 7:05:08 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Islamic prof says U.S. made world better Lesson of American force: 'The tyrants don't leave until bombs fall' February 10, 2004 A professor of Islamic law in the Middle East says the United States has made the world a better place because of its policy of armed force to eliminate dictatorial threats such as the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. "America has done many positive things and changed the world for the better," said Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari, former dean of the faculty of Islamic law at the University of Qatar. Responding to nearly universal criticism of the U.S. from the Arab press, Al-Ansari wrote an article titled "What Do We Demand From America?" in the Feb. 4 issue of the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. Excerpts were translated by the Washington, D.C.-based Middle East Media Research Institute. "Let us imagine the world if America had listened to the French and German logic saying: Give the murderers of the Serbs and the Arabs a chance for a diplomatic solution," Al-Ansari wrote. "Would Bosnia, Kuwait and Iraq be liberated [today] … ?" The Islamic professor criticized European leaders who indicated democracy is not suitable to Arab culture, implying by their actions: "Leave the backward ones alone to consume each other … ." "See now how many countries are turning towards democracy," he wrote. "Even Afghanistan has a constitution. In Iraq, [they are drafting] a new constitution and handing over the regime, and Libya has changed … ." Al-Ansari contended there are lessons to be learned from this. "First, the tyrants don't leave until bombs fall," he said. "The peoples alone are not capable of struggling with dictatorial regimes except with powerful external help … ." He urged the United States to "further encourage the democratic trend and reward the countries that have succeeded in the area of political, social, and economic reform, with aid, support, investment and free trade agreements." Al-Ansari said there are those in the Arab world and elsewhere who think the world has become a worse place because of U.S. action and insist "America is using the war on terror and [the idea of] spreading democracy as a pretext for unrestrained hegemony, empire creation and expansion in the world in disregard of international law or the principles of morality." But this viewpoint sees a "half-empty glass," he said, focusing "only on the negative traits of America because of the widespread media distortion of [America's] image that prevails in our countries." Al-Ansari, stating "America's positive deeds surpass its negative deeds," said the U.S. has a track record of establishing democracies "and the most outstanding examples are in Germany and Japan." He contended if the U.S. had not been prompted to action with a terrorist strike on its own soil, "we would not be able to fight [terrorism]." Al-Ansari added, however, "might alone is not enough." "Terrorism has an ideological and cultural base that must be dismantled, and therefore America needs to encourage the countries to reexamine their educational systems in full – not only the curriculum – and must give financial and professional aid in developing the educational system … ." Al-Ansari said the Arab media "help vilify the image of America and increase hatred for it," but he asserted they are not "acting in a vaccum," referring to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "America's bias in favor of Israel provides fertile ground for blackening the image of America in the Arab and Muslim public awareness," he claimed. Echoing the emir of Qatar, he said, "We call on America to view our problems with greater balance, justice, and honesty. This is what will improve its image in the Arab and Islamic world … ." worldnetdaily.com