Ted Re....Yes, but you were saying that the Germans were the only ones that were benefiting from Saddam.
Here is my post to John which started this discussion. Where on earth, in there do I state that Germany was the only one?
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To:hmaly who wrote (182299)
From: hmaly Monday, Feb 9, 2004 1:12 AM
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Ted Re...Its the Willing who are the axis of weasels, not Germany.
Germany certainly was willing to sell anything anywhere. Why do you think Germany's name keeps on popping up, such as WMD suppliers to Iraq, listed by the UNSCOM inspectors, and now listed by Khan as a middleman supplier of centrifuge parts.
Oops. I forgot to link my source.
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atimes.com
Germany's leading role in arming Iraq
By Marc Erikson
Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts, German intelligence services know them and have loads of information on what Saddam Hussein is hiding, and Schroeder nonetheless plays holier than thou to an easily manipulated, pacifist-inclined domestic audience.
Read that link again. It says German firms were the bulk of suppliers. It did not say Germany was the sole supplier.
Sure. Having a problem with that vision thing again. I said that Iraq was used as a counterweight to Iran's fundamentalist movement, stirred up by Khomeni. As you well know, the Sunni's hate the Shia. With the overthrow of the Shah in Iran, SA was our main supplier and held the bulk of the power in the ME. However, SA was scared sh##less over the possibility of Khominis terrorist, going after Sunni and Wahabi SA. You will note that OBL and Al Qaeda didn't exist until later. So the US pitched in with Saddam to stop the Iranians from terrorizing the ME. And coincidently, that is why both SA and Kuwait contributed large sums to Iraq, to help contain Iran. After the Iran and Iraq war, Saddam turned on Kuwait, and ostensibly SA, because they wanted their money back, and because Kuwait and SA kept the price of oil below the price Saddam needed to pay for his army. After Iraq invaded Kuwait, the US was forced to do a turnaround, in order to protect SA, and regain Kuwait, two of our biggest oil suppliers. Capice.
How could they have when the weapons inspectors were making
Saddam destroy his WMD after 1992......and as we all now know there are no more WMD in Iraq. So where were all the alleged German parts going? Your accusation does not make sense from a chronological point of view. Is this some more of your fiction?
Who knows where they went? The fact is, German and UN records shows they were shipped. Are you denying that those records exist, or that they are fakes. The German intelligence agency BND) confirmed they were shipped, and assumed they were still in Iraq, just like every other intel agency. What do you think they should have assumed; and would you bet the welfare of 300 mln people based on that assumption. If you don't believe the Asia times article, how about the head of German intel.
http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/news-2003-03-20.html
Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties recently accused the red-green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German Intelligence Service) evidence of the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. "If we trust our (intelligence) services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq". In February 2001, the BND compiled a report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard". The lists of suppliers to Iraq contain many of the leading German firms, at least one of which, Preussag, being intimately connected to the Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.
That was 1994......the weapons inspectors did not leave Iraq until 1997 or 1998. A lot happened in those 3-4 years
So what, Un inspections up to the time the inspectors were thrown out, or withdrawn, whatever, show toms of the material is still there. That is where most of the concern is. What happened to the material, shipped primarily by Germany and others.
You are working too hard to disparage one of our most important allies. Why?
If Germany is selling all of these WMD against the embargoes, possibly with even with Schroeder's knowledge, shouldn't they be disparaged, in order to stop them. |
