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To: TimF who wrote (2735)	2/13/2004 12:19:42 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7936

I am astonished at how you attempt to gloss over history. The same mandate that the Zionists finessed from the UN in order to establish the state of Israel also directed that the Palestinians get their own state. Its not glossing over history at all. The mandate is irrelevant to this specific point. It is? Whatever a mandate has said the reality is Israel has more control over all of the land than anyone else. They took it over. Justified or not its a matter of simple fact. Even if it was an evil act it did happen. Now that they control its surprising that they consider giving it up. I will however admit that astonishing was too strong of word. Surprising is better. The mandate is what gave the Israelis control over the land and the ability to create a state, nothing else. And yes, you are right if one goes by the edict that might makes right I wasn't saying might makes right. More like might makes might. I didn't say that because Israel has more power everything it does is fine and dandy. I said because it has more power if it comes down to a matter of power then Israel gets what it wants. Might makes right. That's exactly what you saying. Because they can do it, they will. "The religious right is not small but it is a minority. Most of them are not fanatical, unless you define "religious right" so narrowly that they are indeed a small minority. And the % even within the religious right that would "get rid of gays and most minorities" if they had the power to do so would at most be in the low single digits." Is this from the top of your head, or do you have evidence of your claim? Every poll I've seen shows those most religious to be in double digits and they are diametrically opposed to gays among other things. Show me a poll that says a double digit percentage of Americans (not even limiting it to the religious right you can count non religious people as part of that percentage) would want to kill or kick out of the country "gays and most minorities". You look at examples of the extremists among the religious right and then consider them to be the religious right. Then you see a poll that tens of millions of Americans are in the religious right and take that to mean that a significant percentage of the American population are religious extremists who support persecution of minorities, death or exile for gays and violence to impose their ideas. That is almost as distorted picture of the world as the flat earth society, holocaust deniers or those who think the world is run by the Illuminati. Its also probably the most unreasonable and/or ignorant thing that I have ever seen you post on SI. I'll be sure to show you the next poll that breaks the religious right. ted