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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46201)	2/13/2004 6:16:01 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

I've read Mike's rant now and don't have anything to add. I think Cheney, Bush and co have oil flowing in their veins and think it's the be all and end all. They are stuck in the 20th century, just as Bush is with his idea of zooming off to Mars and the Moon again. There's no point in going to outer space. There's nowhere to go and it will take forever to get there. He's still thinking along the 3D lines of Magellan, Columbus and other explorers of the large scale visually available world. What matters now is the invisible world of the neutrino, the abstract world of cyberspace, the exquisitely intricate world of our DNA, the perplexing world of quantum physics which makes it all tick. Well, not tick. Hmm, on the other hand, yes, tick. Mqurice

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46201)	2/13/2004 6:18:17 AM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

People won't desert their cars and coal will be hydrogenated for liquid fuel for the cars. However that will be a huge cost and something else will have to give in their standard of living. P.S. I haven't driven in 40 years. I also don't have a TV set. Or buy newspapers. Economies, economies, economies.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46201)	2/13/2004 8:24:04 AM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Scientists Develop New Hydrogen Reactor Thu Feb 12, 4:50 PM ET By GREGG AAMOT, Associated Press Writer MINNEAPOLIS - Researchers said Thursday that for the first time, they have produced hydrogen from ethanol in a prototype reactor small enough and efficient enough to heat small homes and power cars. The development could help open the way for cleaner-burning technology at home and on the road. Current methods of producing hydrogen from ethanol require large refineries and copious amounts of fossil fuels, the University of Minnesota researchers said. The reactor is a relatively tiny 2-foot-high apparatus of tubes and wires that creates hydrogen from corn-based ethanol. A fuel cell, which acts like a battery, then generates power. "This points to a way to make renewable hydrogen that may be economical and available," said Lanny Schmidt, a chemical engineer who led the study. The work was outlined in Friday's issue of the journal Science. Hydrogen power itself is hardly a new idea. Hydrogen fuel cells already propel experimental vehicles and supply power for some buildings. NASA (news - web sites) has used them on spacecraft for decades. But hydrogen is expensive to make and uses fossil fuels. The researchers say their reactor will produce hydrogen exclusively from ethanol and do it cheaply enough so people can buy hydrogen fuel cells for personal use. They also believe their technology could be used to convert ethanol to hydrogen at fuel stations when cars that run solely on hydrogen enter the mass market. Hydrogen does not emit any pollution or greenhouse gases. But unlike oil or coal, hydrogen must be produced — there are no natural stores of it waiting to be pumped or dug out of the ground. The new technology holds economic potential for Midwest farmers, who are leaders in the production of corn-based ethanol. George Sverdrup, a technology manager at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, said he was encouraged by the research. "When hydrogen takes a foothold and penetrates the marketplace, it will probably come from a variety of sources and be produced by a variety of techniques," he said. "So this particular advance and technology that Minnesota is reporting on would be one component in a big system." The Minnesota researchers envision people buying ethanol to power the small fuel cell in their basements. The cell could produce 1 kilowatt of power, nearly enough for an average home. story.news.yahoo.com