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To: GraceZ who wrote (17372)2/15/2004 1:56:35 PM
From: KyrosLRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
I never mentioned jobs in my posts about health care. Nor did I claim that jobs will stop migrating to cheap countries with little health care.

Here is what I said in summary:

We can lower drastically our overall health care costs via national health care paid by a VAT, and increase our competitiveness to boot.

As to anecdotes about long waits in Canada and poor health care in nationalized systems, I point to health statistics:

cia.gov

By the way, I have a lot of anecdotes of my own of rather excellent health care in Europe, in many cases superior to what typical HMO patients get here.



To: GraceZ who wrote (17372)2/15/2004 1:59:52 PM
From: Lizzie TudorRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
One problem with statistics on the EU is that often they include the former eastern bloc... however taking single nations within the EU, France for example... we are not losing jobs to France but they are creating over 3x the number of jobs that we are for the most recent quarter. The US created 144K jobs with France at over 600K.

Therefore it is impossible to conclude that every nation that provides extensive healthcare is losing to nations that don't.... it seems to be only happening to us.