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To: Neeka who wrote (29931)	2/16/2004 1:20:54 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793670

The way I see it is if a guy is willing to renege on his marriage vows, what promises WON'T he renege on?

To: Neeka who wrote (29931)	2/16/2004 2:09:52 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793670

60%?!! I don't believe it. That means either me or my spouse, right across every marriage [statistically - many of them would be both partners in a marriage] <If the day ever comes, we might just as well dump the concept of marriage and erase the word fidelity from our language > Bear in mind that the primary purpose of marriage has been lost. Morals have been contaminated with the idea that they are about prudery and being a goody-goody wowser. Morals are actually for the purpose of survival - rules for life, tested over millennia [and more]. Marriage is because women and men get randy. They have sex. Babies arrive. Who the heck is going to look after the baby and the mother? Outside a chimpanzee-style tribal arrangement, based on territorial hunter-gather communal living, somebody has to take responsibility. Nowadays [in New Zealand anyway] the state has taken over the role of father and provider for 30% of children [maybe only 20% but it's a LOT]. But for a long time, there were no welfare agencies, but people didn't live in communal hunter gatherer tribal systems. Marriage was to protect mother and child and to assign responsibility. Shotgun weddings were to achieve the same purpose. Marriage wasn't really the woolly-minded romantic fantasy it is these days, where for entertainment one rushes off at 6 am to the Las Vegas Quick and Dirty Operating System Licensing Agency, only to be annulled in the bright light of day. I agree with you that character is vital and attitude to property, women, children and marriage by men is the core of morality. Morality is survival. Women have a different moral basis to work from. The guy doesn't need protection, provision, and doesn't get pregnant. Morals generally have got bad press. I think because people have a limited concept of why morals work. Morals, manners, ethics, are different from wowser and prude. Sermon for the day, Mqurice

To: Neeka who wrote (29931)	2/16/2004 2:18:38 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 793670

My guess would be that the majority of American citizens do not want someone who engages in extra-marital affairs representing them or their country. I don't think that's the issue. The issue is that no one is perfect. All other things being equal, you would chose a non-cheater over a cheater. Like, duh. But would you chose a communist or a terrorist sympathizer over a cheater. Like, double-duh. Besides, everyone who has extra-marital affairs isn't a cheater. You can't necessarily conclude cheating from the fact of an affair, although it's likely.

To: Neeka who wrote (29931)	2/17/2004 1:43:57 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 793670

"I've been called a prude and "out of touch with reality" for admitting my embarrassment and difficulty in accepting infidelity." Ask yourself this moenmac..... How many of those folks ridiculing you are guilty of committing these same types of indiscretions themselves? They have to justify their infidelity or some other clearly inappropriate act they committed. It's much easier on their conscience to just believe that it's really no big deal in the whole scheme of things than to face reality, apologize to those they offended & make real personal & character changes. It's just so much easier to look down upon & ridicule those evil religious zealots IMO.