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To: TimF who wrote (2761)2/16/2004 11:30:04 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7936
 
I see.

No Ted you don't see.


You say this over and over. Frankly, if I don't see, its because there is some hidden code behind your words that only you know.

I call them like I see them and English is not my second language.

its the law of the jungle

To an extent in international relations it is. To an even greater extent in war it is. To an even greater extent in the tacticts of the Palestinians it is.

and the laws of men are irrelevant

No not irrelevant.


The "law of the jungle' means there is no law. Its the survival of the fittest and the laws of man become irrelevant.

Anarchy is preferable to order.

I never said anything like that. I wasn't passsing any kind of judgement on the situation other then that it was unsual. I didn't say it was good or bad, preferable or not.
I didn't advcate for "the law of the jungle", or say that "the laws of man are irrelevant", and I dind't even hint that "anarchy is preferable to order". Either your not readin what I post, or your reading it without paying attention to it, or you are deliberatly distorting my statements.


When there are now laws except the laws of the jungle, then there is anarchy.....anything goes.

Whether you understand it or not, you are saying that because Israel has the power to overrule the UN mandate, they can do it.

"Might makes right" has little to do with the UN. Certainly the UN does not make right or wrong.


It has everything to do with the UN and Israel's repeated disregard of UN resolutions involving her. Again, its the law of the jungle; Israel is a regional superpower and doesn't need to follow the rules of the UN. She spits on the very organization that gave her birth. How's that for gratitude?

In my book, that's not right but by exercising that power, she made it right. That's what the phrase "might makes right" means.

Doing something doesn't make it right. Exercising power doesn't make the exercise right.


Yes, it does.......if you have total control, you get to decide what's right. Israel has total control over of the Palestinians......she gets to tell the Palestinians where they should live, where they can work and when they will be free. In the meantime, she takes their water from the aquifer under the WB. And she's convinced you and others that she has the right to do that even when moral people know better.

By your definition of the term every wrong action would be right because whoever commited the wrong action obviously had the power to do it. The power to do something is entirely divorsed from the morality of the action. I can think of any number of evil things that I could do but having that power, or actually comiting the evil act would not make it right. I cana also think of good things that I might like to do but don't have the power to do. Lacking the power and failing to do these things doesn't make them bad.

Whenever you have power, you control your universe and when in complete control, you can determine what is right or what is wrong. We see it all the time. The abusive husband who beats his wife and molests his children, and explains matter of factly, why it was right that he did those things. In this case, the universe was a house and family, and he had total control in that universe.

In the same way, Israel has gained control of its universe and has convinced itself and many other people that it HAS to do the things it does and she is right for doing them. And her belief system gets reinforced by people like you that reaffirm to her that what she is doing is right.

There is little that either the Israelis or the Palestinians are doing that is right. The rightness in this feud was lost a long time ago. That's why we need to step away. This will come to no good end.

The RIGHT thing is to give back the land but you don't think Israel should; hence, by exercising her might, Israel has made it right [by your standards] to control the land that she was not entitled to have under the UN mandate.

If the right thing to do is to give back the land then presumably not doing so would be wrong whatever power Israel has or doesn't have.


Yes.

You say "by my standards" but you aren't applying my standards but rather your own. You say "the right thing to do is to give back the land".

Because I am not a sociopath. Israel has taken something that is not hers and holds it over the rightful owner's head. Its cruel and its not right.

And from earlier posts the land you want Israel to give back is all the land that wasn't set aside for Israel in the original partision. you think anything short of that is the wrong thing to do. I don't think not offering up that much land is wrong or immoral. By my standards Israel not offering up that much land is not wrong just because it is not wrong, not because Israel is powerful compared to the Palestinians.

I think giving back all the land would be the right thing to do but I know that's not likely. Therefore, an acceptable right thing would be to give Palestine the amount of land promised in the last negotiations, reparations for the property taken in 1948 and be done with it.

ted