To: GVTucker who wrote (177059 ) 2/23/2004 8:14:10 AM From: Amy J Respond to of 186894 OT GV, that's great to hear AG is getting the message somehow. We just had a discussion about this on another thread. I think the real issue is: 1) volume of educated int'l folks coming online 2) India teaches calculus in grade 8, not grade 12. The above items are system issues, not individual issues. In response to the above, a) we need to improve our grade schools (so when our students get to college they are not at an int'l disadvantage) b) in other words, we need to improve our math and make calculus mandatory for every student or 80% at a minimum; we need to get at least 50% of the students taking calculus at grade 10; we need to merge grade 4 and grade 5 math together (in order to gain one year); we need to also consider improving grade 7 math and 8 math (to gain yet another year). c) we need to increase RND into universities d) we need to increase grants to graduate students to increase our volume here. there are too many highly intelligent people not getting phd's due to the cost. also increase grants to college students. e) we need to continue importing H1Bs here, rather than be forced to go overseas f) we need to close the schools that are ineffective and reroute students to a better school in that community. g) we need to ensure we continue our creative style and up that a tad; creativity is truly the USA's strong card. continue making school fun. provide a venue for students to grow their leadership and empowerment skills at earlier ages. change the image of science so that it's not just for geeks. h) make math and science games a mandatory course in kindergarten, separate from the actual math course given. some children do not even have an opportunity to play the more-math and science oriented games that more math & science-oriented children play. currently, kindergarten schools lean towards having girls play with barbie during recess. good grief. i) import math grade school teachers from India, if there is a shortage of math and science grade school instructors. If we did all of the above, we'd have the most competitive system in the world. This is because we would increase our volume drastically as we encourage more students to move up the ladder. It's not the 2M int'l students we need to look at, it's the top foreign students our USA schools need to make sure we compete against as group. Loosely, if 50% of USA schools can compete with a foreign country's top 10%, then we can compete against the volume game. I think we can successfully compete with our grade schools here against int'l grade schools if we move more up the ladder here. With more prepared grade schoolers, this in turn eventually generates more grad school students down the road. Fortunately, our universities still are the best in the world. Regards, Amy J