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To: marcos who wrote (125)	2/18/2004 5:16:02 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 261

Just to clarify your position: When someone willfully lies, that does not discredit them, but calling them out does discredit one? I'm not talking about spin, I'm talking about lies. Tom

To: marcos who wrote (125)	2/19/2004 3:56:18 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 261

Re: it's like Gus there with his 'Judeofascists', i mean geez what can anybody usefully say after that. As I once explained, Judeofascism is short for Judeo-Christiano-fascism, that is, it encompasses both Jewish and Christian Zionists that won't flinch from terrorism to further their cause/cult. For that matter, I've noticed that, in America, Judeofascism is mainly a non-Jewish ideology --the most fervent and numerous supporters of Greater Israel are the Bible Belt's Evangelists... In Europe, however, it's another kettle of fish: (arch-)Zionism is basically a Jewish trip... Christian Zionism is almost non-existent in Europe. Europe's open supporters of Zionism (in Poland, Italy, Spain,...) are not motivated by some Biblical fantasies but rather by a common Islamo-/Arabophobia. (Far-)rightist pols in Spain and Italy view Israel as the vanguard of their respective countries in dealing with Arab/Muslim minorities. As for Poland, as I said, Eastern Europe is the true "Old Europe", that is, a lily-white Europe whose people have never encountered African or Middle Eastern folks --Eastern Europe's mindset is still stuck in the XIXth century, as far as anthropology is concerned.... Gus

To: marcos who wrote (125)	4/9/2004 9:26:48 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 261

marcos... i was just lurking wherever the links would take me and I do not remember how i got here, but i read... there is a reason why all forms of 'to lie', 'liar', etc are banned from houses of parliament, and it's more than just that one's mind gets exercised in finding subtler ways of saying the same thing .... wow... pardon my ignorance, but are you serious? i've never had respect for politicians, but this makes them even lower than rats... you can't call on a liar for what he/she is ? how is it they get such immunity... ? i am aghast... (sort of ano-nadado -g) you know why the speaker has that big mace? - well, now i know... -g to defend himself when they rush him after calling on a respected MP for infringing on the 'no tell on liars' rule -lol [it must feel as if the referee pulls a red card on an innocent player]