To: SecularBull who wrote (542338 ) 2/19/2004 12:32:21 AM From: Johannes Pilch Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 You have to draw a line somewhere, and perhaps the normal ability to procreate is the the line?? Well, as someone here said, not all hetero marriages can procreate. So procreation is not the issue. The issue is even more fundamental than this. It has to do with the thing that makes us biologically distinguishable from other creatures as “human.” In short, it has to do with human identity. You are in your home. You understand that suicide is contrary to your existence and as such it forms no basis for your participation in your family. In other words, you know that where suicide is present in you, you naturally cease to exist. Suicide therefore is not you, but is anti you. Your wife also understands that suicide is contrary to her existence and as such she knows it forms no basis for her participation in your family. You both together understand that suicide is no basis for the creation of society with one another. You create a society of two with the assumption that suicide is not your identity, but serves as no basis for the establishment and support of your identity in nature. It is, by nature, not you. You adopt five children and also have five biological children. Since you both already affirm that suicide is not your shared identity, you agree to work as a society of two to teach your children this same maxim. You now are a society of twelve people who understand that not a single one of you is biologically rooted in suicide, that suicide has no part in your living and being as you all now live and exist in nature. Your children adopt and have biological children, all of whom naturally assume that their existence is not predicated upon suicide. Your society has now grown to a whopping five hundred people, not a single one of which is biologically rooted in suicide. Eventually your grandchildren adopt and have biological children, and so one until your society grows to five hundred thousand people, not even one of which is biologically rooted in suicide. But a small group of your society decides to teach, against what you have always assumed to be natural fact, that suicide is you. They teach that it should be acceptable to you right along with life. They teach this because some people of your society appear prone to fantasize about and even commit suicide and have had these urges for as long as they can remember. They teach that you must alter the assumptions of your society to accommodate their view and that you must even change your laws and tax code to grant them all of the benefits you would grant to those who embrace the true basis of your society - life. They commandeer influential institutions like the American Psychological Association and through artful politics and not science, they cause that organization to declare the wish for suicide not a sickness, but part of you. They begin to infiltrate your schools to teach the normalcy of suicide, influencing young minds to their views. They show how suicide exists even in animals and on that basis argue that it should be acceptable to you. They begin to fill your courts with judges who pass laws allowing them to adopt children. These judges also decree that suicide is indeed you and that as long as no one forces you to commit suicide yourself, you must accept suicide as a normal part of your society. If you rent homes knowing that the renters will be allowing many suicides to take place in them, you have no right to deny the renters on the basis of their support for suicide. Since suicide has been deemed you, then should medical difficulties arise as a result of failed suicide attempts, your society must pay for these difficulties. If you hire people, you cannot deny employment to anyone who teaches that suicide is you. Indeed, where two people form a relationship based upon the practice of helping suicides take place, you must grant health benefits to both, despite that people who take the “suicide is us” view tend toward some of the most expensive and debilitating medical difficulties in your society. This is what has happened with homosexuality. A small group has commandeered the courts and institutions and are now forcing society to accept an identity that has nothing to do with society. Society is not based upon homosexuality. Society is based upon individuals, every single one of whom is himself biologically based upon the fundamental components of exactly one man and one woman-- for life. So society is based upon heterosexuality, and since each person is made of mom and dad and this never changes, heterosexual monogamy is our identity. To force us to accept anything else, is to force us to deny what we are in nature – and no one has that right. People who support suicide ought to be free to support it for themselves, as long as they do not force anyone else to support them. The same applies to homosexuality. What leftists now do is force heterosexual society into the lie that homosexuality is us. It is not enough for them simply to have the freedom to support homosexuality. They must now force us to support it in our society, though our society has no biological identification with it at all. This is just wrong. It is a sin against human identity – a sin against human nature.