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To: The Duke of URL© who wrote (177082)	2/19/2004 7:51:31 PM
From: Amy J	Respond to of 186894

Duke & Saturn, I think what Microsoft, Intel and AMD are doing is perfectly fine and necessary - opening up remote sites to be a part of the impressive revenue growth in India. This is good, makes sense, and is good for investors. And the USA headcount is 70%, while international revenue is 70%. I'm am advocate of overseas development, when it makes sense - to match growth in markets or to foster additional teams so companies aren't victims as we were during the boom to an inability to find people. I also think it's okay to gravitate some mature software items overseas if there is a cost benefit, provided a core remains to foster the next round of intellectual fomentation. And provided people are given a reasonable path to do other newer duties, which is what we do at our startup - any duty that goes overseas, the position in the USA gets a new set of more advanced duties. This is how it's suppose to work. It's not intended to be a replacement of USA jobs. If a company is replacing USA jobs, then there is something wrong with a management team's inability to grow the company upstream. Or, their planning skills. It's one thing to hire and grow in a foreign country, it's another thing to fire and replace a USA worker due to a management team's poor planning or poor innovation skills that would shift workers to higher productive jobs. So this move by Siemens goes over the top, even by my pro-business standards. This is because, Siemens nulls any possibility to foment the next wave of software development. They also null any possibility to retrain employees for other areas. Do they even have a redeployment pool like other better operated companies have? For those that don't recall, Siemens was abusing L1 visa and thus, making it extremely difficult for those of us who are legitimately using L1 for legitimate reasons. In Siemans case, they used a Tata L1 IT consultant to replace a USA worker in violation of the immigration laws. Siemens is making a bad name for hightech and Siemen's poor policies are creating troubles for hightech firms with good policies. Here is Siemens doing it again - this is over the top: Siemens makes Oracle look like an angel. Siemens is moving all of their software development positions overseas. nytimes.com Most Siemens Software Jobs Moving East By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: February 16, 2004 BANGALORE, India (AP) -- The German firm Siemens will move most of the 15,000 software programming jobs from its offices in the United States and Western Europe to India, China and Eastern Europe, a company official said Monday. ``Siemens has recognized that a huge amount of software development activity needs to be moved from high-cost countries to low-cost countries,'' said Anil R. Laud, managing director of Siemens Information Systems, the group's information technology subsidiary in India. ``It is a problem. They could lose their jobs,'' said J. Schubert, the spokesman for Siemens in 11 countries, including India. He said China might get a chunk of the jobs too. --------------------------------------- While Software development is a basic skillset, there are advanced software development technologies still in the labs to come out, such as biodiversification software development, etc. (the layer above the basic skillsets that minimizes viruses), and other specialized software development technologies. A company that dumps their entire development team overseas, is a company that will miss out on new, higher margin products. The only thing positive to be said about Siemens is at least they are giving their employees forewarning. But who would want to work for a company that violates some reasonable level of basic trust and treats employees purely like commodities that lack the ability to innovate to higher ground, when in fact, it is possibly the management team that lacks the intellectual ability to identify the importance of their own innovation in the USA. Further more, by negatively impacting the entire development team, they are unknowingly going to be kissing goodbye any chance to work with the more innovative USA development teams. Because who would want to partner with a company that has no software development presence in the USA for innovation? Their story is like Juniper. You rarely bump into a Juniper engineer, but you meet tons of Cisco engineers in the Valley. So, guess which firm gets the new ideas and takes it to the next level? Not a firm that's dumped their entire software development overseas. Siemens is a foreign company that has tendancies towards violating some commonly accepted USA hightech industry business principles. Our USA hightech companies aren't as extreme (nor as foolish) as Siemens, so why do we let Siemens make a bad name for other USA hightech companies with their bad policy? Though I do believe the market place will bite them - when they begin to suffer the fate of a lock-off from innovation in the USA. Regards, Amy J