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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (3337)2/19/2004 9:42:06 PM
From: James Calladine  Respond to of 173976
 
FILE REQUEST....

CALPUNDIT: I've gotten several emails asking the same question about George Bush's National Guard records: if we want to know what a complete file should look like, why not get a complete file from some other guardsman and compare it to Bush's? Just for fun, you understand.

Ideally, we'd want the file from a Texas Air National Guard pilot who served from 1968-1974, but I imagine anything relatively close would at least be instructive. Do I have any readers who fit the profile and have a copy of their file? Or would be willing to submit a request and get it?

calpundit.com



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (3337)2/20/2004 11:03:26 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
Offshoring is another phony demolib pinhead smear issue:

The flap over 'offshoring'
George Will (archive)
February 19, 2004 | Print | Send

WASHINGTON -- It is difficult to say something perfectly, precisely false. But Speaker Dennis Hastert did when participating in the bipartisan piling-on against the president's economic adviser who imprudently said something sensible.

John Kerry and John Edwards, who are not speaking under oath and who know that economic illiteracy has never been a disqualification for high office, have led the scrum against the chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, N. Gregory Mankiw, who said the arguments for free trade apply to trade in services as well as manufactured goods. But the prize for the pithiest nonsense went to Hastert: ``An economy suffers when jobs disappear."

So the economy suffered when automobiles caused the disappearance of the jobs of most blacksmiths, buggy makers, operators of livery stables, etc.? The economy did not seem to be suffering in 1999, when 33 million jobs were wiped out -- by an economic dynamism that created 35.7 million jobs. How many of the 4,500 U.S jobs that IBM is planning to create this year will be made possible by sending 3,000 jobs overseas?

Hastert's ideal economy, where jobs do not disappear, existed almost everywhere for almost everyone through almost all of human history. In, say, 12th-century France, the ox behind which a man plowed a field changed, but otherwise the plowman was doing what generations of his ancestors had done and what generations of his descendants would do. Those were the good old days, before economic growth.

The disappearance of whole categories of jobs can be desirable for reasons other than economic rationality. The economist Irwin Stelzer recalls that John L. Lewis, the firebreathing leader of the United Mine Workers of America from 1920 to 1960, once said that he hoped to see the day when no man would make his living by going underground.

For the highly competent work force of this wealthy nation, the loss of jobs is not a zero-sum game, it is a trading up in social rewards. When the presidential candidates were recently in South Carolina, histrionically lamenting the loss of textile jobs, they surely noticed the huge BMW presence. It is the ``offshoring" of German jobs because Germany's irrational labor laws, among other things, give America a comparative advantage. Such economic calculation explains the manufacture of Mercedeses in Alabama, Hondas in Ohio, Toyotas in California.

As long as the American jobs going offshore were blue-collar jobs, the political issue did not attain the heat it has now that white-collar job losses frighten a more articulate, assertive social class. But an old lesson applies to this new situation.

The welfare state, beginning with unemployment relief, was pioneered in part by European conservatives, Disraeli and especially Bismarck, to reconcile people to change -- to the frictions and casualties of economic dynamism on which, such enlightened conservatives saw, national greatness would depend in the industrial age. It is sound social policy, and simple justice, that the party who benefits from free trade -- the nation as a whole -- should be taxed to ameliorate the discomforts of those who pay the short-term price of progress.

That is the case for education and job training for persons needing to change their skills. Such assistance is especially imperative when the casualties of change bear no responsibility for their fate -- unlike, say, U.S. steelworkers, whose overreaching in collective bargaining deepened the problems of their industry.

John Kerry says offshoring is done by ``Benedict Arnold CEOs." But if he wants to improve the health of U.S airlines, and the security of the jobs and pensions of most airline employees, should he not applaud Delta saving $25 million a year by sending some reservation services to India?

Does Kerry really want to restrain the rise of health care costs? Does he oppose having X-rays analyzed in India at a fraction of the U.S. cost?

Recently, Indiana Gov. Joseph Kernan canceled a $15 million contract with a firm in India for processing state unemployment claims. The next highest bidder was a U.S. firm that would have charged $23 million. Because of this potential 50 percent price increase, there would have been $8 million fewer state dollars for schools, hospitals, law enforcement, etc. And the benefit to Indiana would have been ... what?

When Kernan made this gesture he probably was wearing something wholly or partly imported and that at one time, before ``offshoring," would have been entirely made here. Such potential embarrassments are among the perils of making moral grandstanding into an economic policy.

©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (3337)2/20/2004 11:59:48 AM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
You were correct about OR being a "swing state". The Moveon ads about healthcare probably had something to do with the administration stopping by to tout their bogus healthcare:
Bush officials stop in, draw protest
registerguard.com
By Sherri Buri McDonald
The Register-Guard

As top Bush administration officials visited Eugene on Wednesday to tout the administration's health care ideas, they were greeted by a lively crowd of local residents who used the unusual tour to protest President Bush's economic policies.

In their planned event, the senior officials met privately with 10 small-business owners at the Rexius Forest By-Products corporate office in west Eugene.

Meanwhile, about 50 people chanted and carried signs objecting to White House policies.







Business owner Rusty Rexius (from left), Treasury Secretary John Snow and Small Business Administration Administrator Hector Barreto smile along with staff members at seeing a "Big Duck" piece of artwork in front of Rexius Forest By-Products' office in west Eugene on Wednesday.

Protesters in front of Rexius' office hold signs criticizing Bush policies and his team's visit.

Photos: Chris Pietsch / The Register-Guard






Treasury Secretary John Snow and Small Business Administration Administrator Hector Barreto arrived in Eugene on Wednesday afternoon, the last of five stops during a two-day tour through Washington and Oregon. Both states may become swing states in November's presidential election, and observers see the tour as part of an effort to get Pacific Northwest residents to warm to the Bush ticket.

Critics have been quick to condemn the entire tour as a publicity stunt and a waste of money, while the administration says the event is a way to get in touch with sentiment outside Washington, D.C.

Snow and Barreto had been traveling with Labor Secretary Elaine Chao and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans, as part of a "jobs and growth" tour.

Along their travels, the Bush team has praised Bush's tax cuts as a way to reinvigorate the economy and spur job growth.

The entire group made an appearance in Portland on Wednesday morning. Snow told that audience that President Bush "inherited a recession" from President Clinton, according to Bloomberg News. His statement has sparked controversy. The National Bureau of Economic Research committee that unofficially sets the timing of recessions pegged the start of the last decline as March 2001, after Bush took office. Some members of that committee, armed with revised data, are considering shifting that date to December 2000, Clinton's last full month in office, but no decision has been made, Bloomberg said.

Only Snow and Barreto made it to Eugene for the discussion on making health care insurance more affordable for small business.

In that meeting, Barreto and Snow talked up legislation that would establish so-called "association health plans," which would enable trade groups to pool members nationwide to bargain for better rates from insurance providers. Barreto said such plans could help small businesses cut their premiums by as much as 20 percent.

Another program they talked about, health savings accounts, was already created as part of last year's Medicare reform law. These are tax-free savings accounts that can be used to pay medical costs by employees or their family members. Barreto likened these to health care IRAs.

"When people are spending their own money, they tend to be more intelligent about how they spend it," Snow said.

But such upbeat comments have won scant favor among the critics who have dismissed the tour as a ploy aimed at helping get votes for Bush.

Local protesters and Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Springfield, complained that staged events didn't get to the heart of Oregonians' needs: jobs, affordable health care, and even basic necessities such as food and shelter.

Oregon has suffered one of the highest jobless rates in the country for the past several years. The state's December rate was 7.2 percent, well above the national average of 5.7 percent.

Since President Bush took office, Oregon has lost 48,200 jobs, including 26,400 manufacturing jobs, DeFazio said.

He likened Bush's Commerce, Labor and Treasury secretaries to the "Three Blind Mice feeling their way around economic issues and totally missing the concerns of average working families and local businesses.

"The Bush Cabinet's 'happy talk' is at odds with the everyday realities Oregon families have to face," he said.

Before Snow and Barreto arrived, a local workers' rights group staged a press conference near the Rexius office in the stark, cold kitchen of FOOD for Lane County.

Dan Bryant, minister of First Christian Church in downtown Eugene and a member of Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon, said the Bush economic team needed to hear from more than just a select group of 10 business people.

"We're thrilled that they're here, but we're very concerned that they're hearing from only one small segment of our community," Bryant said.

"I think we're all concerned about unemployment and job growth, and we want to make sure the secretaries get the message that the economy is not working here in Oregon," Bryant said.

In the meeting with Snow and Barreto, one business owner suggested that socialized medicine - government-run health care programs - might solve the nation's health care crisis. That's an idea the Bush administration rejects.

"I think society has spoken that health care is a right," said John Anderson, president of Eugene-based Truck 'n Travel, a 100-employee truck service center.

"I think the health care industry is completely broken," said Anderson, whose costs to provide health insurance have increased 150 percent in the past seven years.

"I've come to the conclusion that the only way to control health care (costs) in this country is to socialize it," he said.

"Boy, we hope that doesn't happen," Baretto said. "We know what government is capable of and not capable of."

In an interview after the meeting, Baretto said the United States is respected worldwide for its health care system. "We don't want to throw out the best system in the world," he said.

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