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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (543041)	2/20/2004 2:14:21 AM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Well, if that ain't spinning faster than ole O'Reilly. Your original post: And homosexual marriage is destroying marriage in those countries too, just as we have long warned. Your sons and daughters will be raised in a society wherein closely knit, healthy families will be a thing of the past. The End of Marriage in Scandinavia The "conservative case" for same-sex marriage collapses. by Stanley Kurtz 02/02/2004, Volume 009, Issue 20 MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY DYING IN SCANDINAVIA. A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more. Same-sex marriage has locked in and reinforced an existing Scandinavian trend toward the separation of marriage and parenthood. The Nordic family pattern--including gay marriage--is spreading across Europe. And by looking closely at it we can answer the key empirical question underlying the gay marriage debate. Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage? It already has. Hmm, I don't see any reference the myriad of reasons behind the rise in nonmarital births in Scandinavia. You only cite one: the effect of gay marriage. Convenient positioning of the 'facts', at best; dishonest twisting of reality, at worst. Which is it? To represent the cause/effect as gay marriage destroying marriage, as you so clearly did in your post, is flying in the face of the research and facts. Can you show ANY credible data that establishes a link between the 'destruction' of marriage and homosexual unions? I thought not. We ought not be leftist here. The issue is that the family is being destroyed in stages, and that homosexual marriage is one of major effects and causes of the destruction, separating marriage from parenthood. While children are being initially raised in two-parent homes in some cases (often with at least one parent having no genetic link to the children at all), the social glue holding even these families together has weakened and ever continues to weaken. The Scandinavian family is fragile and homosexual marriage is slowly enhancing its fragility. Prove it. Show some data that shows the direct relationship between gay marriages and destruction of families. Now, for a reasoned argument as to why a constitutional ban on gay marriages is a bad thing: writ.news.findlaw.com