To: yard_man who wrote (8363 ) 2/20/2004 12:09:53 PM From: ild Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194 Date: Fri Feb 20 2004 11:58 trotsky (Zman) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved the 70's were an inflationary era - iow, rising interest rates couldn't keep pace with the even sharper rise in inflation, thus real interest rates were negative most of the time. on the two occasions when real rates DID go strongly positive, gold made a big correction ( 75-76 ) the first time, and the bull market ended the second time ( 79-80 ) . another major difference is gold lending, which wasn't developed to the extent it is now in the 70's. gold has become much MORE sensitive to interest rates, and specifically, interest rate spreads betwen lease rates and LIBOR, due to the huge pool available for lending. and the rules of the game are different in a deflationary era. Date: Fri Feb 20 2004 11:39 trotsky (PPI&CPI) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved contrary to conventional wisdom, higher inflation data are bad for gold - because they're bad for the interest rate outlook, and ultra-low interest rates are the main driver of the gold price. however, i wouldn't worry too much about that - this month's jump on acount of energy prices is unlikely to be meaningful, since factories are unable to pass commodity cost input increases on. note that commodity inputs are only a tiny slice of total manufacturing input costs - that major slice are labor costs, and those are coming down rapidly. iow, companies can actually afford to eat the raw materials price increases. and even in the unlikely case that commodity prices rise so much that affordability becomes questionable, they could STILL not pass them on since vast industrial overcapacities ensure price pressures on end products won't disappear. if the handful of hawks at the Fed were to gain the upper hand and box through a rate increase, the collapse of the US private sector debt bubble would be hastened, and with it, the arrival of outright deflation in aggregate prices. Date: Fri Feb 20 2004 11:18 trotsky (Hambone) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved i really doubt that a correction in the stock market automatically equates to a lower dollar - after all, they've been trading in almost perfect negative correlation for quite some time now ( in fact, the negative SnP/dollar correlation has been even MORE pronounced than the gold/dollar correlation over the past year ) . iow, if you really think the stock market's going to dump here, then you'd have to be short term bullish on the dollar. as to the charts you put up - well, they do seem to confirm that the recent bearish divergences we talked about are beginning to take their toll - but if you are saying those are bearish charts, you'd be implicitly saying the same thing about HUI/XAU, because right now, they don't look any better. if a really bad downturn in the stock market were imminent ( possible, but more likely is imo a correction, followed by another rally, and THEN the big downturn ) , that would certainly not be good for gold stocks, so be careful what you wish for. Date: Fri Feb 20 2004 10:50 trotsky (Earl@lootage) ID#377387: Copyright © 2002 trotsky/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved Saddam was a choir-boy compared to shrub inc. in lootage terms. Iraq is the biggest tax payer money and resource grab racket in quite some time. it amuses me to no end to see US tax payers actually cheer on the hoods that are busy picking their pockets. their conditioning is really at the pinnacle of perfection...Pavlov would be proud.