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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: antiquites who wrote (16378)	2/20/2004 7:47:15 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 28931

"this Malbac I am drinking is definitely a great start!" Hmmm...what vintage would that be?!

To: antiquites who wrote (16378)	2/29/2004 3:57:02 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

So did you go see "The Rabbai's Passion" ? I have often wondered why how few ever draw a parallel and try to interpret why the same thing happened 900 yrs later to the father of Islam's Sufism , Mansur Al-Hallaj . And his crime against the humble clerics and priests of his day , was exactly the same as this young Rabbai from Gallilea . The identification with the Father , and to proclaim a "oneness" with God and found the center of Man's Truths , ie Jesus' statements of : "I and the Father are One". ...Which of anything else was the main reason Jesus was crucified above many others , for indicating to them that he and God were one . Here is a little background on al-Hallaj : "Mansur al-Hallaj, great father of Islam's Sufism ...Poet/Preacher/God Intoxicated " thelemicknights.org The situation in which al-Hallaj taught and wrote was shaped by social, economic, political, and religious stress, which eventually led to his arrest. Sufism was new at the time, and it had provoked extensive opposition from the Muslim orthodoxy. Sufi masters considered his sharing the beauty of mystical experience with the masses undisciplined at best, disobedient at worst. A combination of things probably led to his execution: he was an outspoken moral-political reformist, and there were great similarities between the missionary style of the terrorist Qarmat and his own. It wasn't long before the political leaders could make a case against him. Al-Hallaj was considered an "intoxicated Sufi," who became so enraptured in ecstasy by the presence of the Divine that he was prone to a loss of personal identity, which blurs the lines between the Divine and the Man. During his arrest he experienced one of these breaks and uttered: "Ana al-haqq," or "I am the Truth" (or God). The statement was not only highly inappropriate in Islam, but echoed the philosophy of the Qarmatians. Those three little words would mark the beginning of the end for al-Hallaj. Still, his trial was lengthy and marked with uncertainty. He spent 11 years in confinement in Baghdad, and was finally brutally tortured and crucified. There were many witnesses that stated that al-Hallaj was strangely serene while being tortured, and sincerely forgave his persecutors. He is referred to as "Love's Prophet." Today al-Hallaj is one of the most influential Sufi writers and an important character in Islamic history. “I have seen my Lord with the eye of my heart, and I said: ‘Who are You?’ He said: ‘You.’" It could be noted that the holy fathers in Baghdad did the Romans & the jews even one better in the torture dept. ...as after 11yrs of confinement and torture ...they cut off al-Hallaj's hands ...nose.... ears ....tongue and his feet , and then** crucified him ! Very sad , but not unexpected for some mystical reason ...of men learning very slowly & collectively what the real truth, balance and center , of their existence is .